Trig Palin, Who’s Yo’ Mama – Sarah or Bristol
With the announcement that Bristol is indeed pregnant (posted at the bottom) this blog will not be posted this topic again.
Obama on Palin
Politico’s Carrie Budoff Brown reports: At a press avail in Monroe, Mich., Barack Obama on Palin: “Back off these kinds of stories.”
“I have said before and I will repeat again: People’s families are off limits,” Obama said. “And people’s children are especially off-limits. This shouldn’t be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin’s performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. So I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18 and how a family deals with issues and teenage children, that shouldn’t be a topic of our politics.”
On charges that his campaign has stoked the story via liberal blogs:
“I am offended by that statement. There is no evidence at all that any of this involved us,” he said. “Our people were not involved in any way in this, and they will not be. And if I thought there was somebody in my campaign who was involved in something like that, they would be fired.”
Original Post
For the last few days, stories about Sarah Palin not being the mother of newborn Trig Palin, but actually, the grandmother, caused me to think. Why has the McCain campaign, Tom Palin and Sarah Palin herself, not addressed this very strong and growing discussion? It has been said that Palin’s 17 year old daughter, Bristol is really the mother of Trig. In 2008, with teenage pregnancy not new to anyone, why should this be such a Palin family secret? Could it be that it flies in the face of those “good old GOP family values?”
Evidence grows as questions mount on the internet. Is Sarah Palin lying about being the baby’s mother? Photos seems to back up the fact that Bristol, not Sarah, was pregnant. Even Sarah Palin’s public announcement at 7 months pregnant took her staff by surprise.
You have to wonder how hard the McCain staff vetted Sarah Palin. McCain met with her once and spoke to her 2 times in the history of their relationship. So, how much do the McCain people really know about her? Is Sarah Palin McCain’s Tom Eagleton? Eagleton lasted only 18 days after his veep tap.
Why does it matter?
- Sarah Palin is pro-life;
- Sarah Palin is an avid proponent of abstinence only education.
Let’s start with the Palin’s announcement of becoming a mom for the 5th time:
Anchorage Daily News, March 6, 2008
JUNEAU — Gov. Sarah Palin shocked and awed just about everybody around the Capitol on Wednesday when she announced she’s expecting her fifth child.
That the pregnancy is so advanced astonished all who heard the news. The governor, a runner who’s always been trim, simply doesn’t look pregnant.
Even close members of her staff said they only learned this week their boss was expecting.
But people just couldn’t believe the news.
“Really? No!” said Bethel state Rep. Mary Nelson, who is close to giving birth herself.
“It’s wonderful. She’s very well-disguised,” said Senate President Lyda Green, a mother of three who has sometimes sparred with Palin politically. “When I was five months pregnant, there was absolutely no question that I was with child.”
Moving on, vidoes and photos
In March 2008, Palin attended the Republican Govenors Convention. Trig PAlin was born April 18, 2008, and in the video interview below several things struck me as fishy; 1) look atr PAlin’s posture and crossed legs at late term pregnancy. Every pregnant women I know can not sit forward and hunched over nor can they cross their legs. Also in one of the vidoe Palin talks about motherhood (video #3), not once does she mention her pregnancy.
Palin in the Green Room: NEWSWEEK’s Karen Breslau shares a personal moment with the Alaska governor. Alaska governor Sarah Palin talks about the challenges of raising a family while in office at a NEWSWEEK forum on Women in Leadership in March
Palin should be 7 months pregnant in this photo.
Bristol has the pregnant bump
Here are a few more things to ponder
1) Palin’s daughter Bristol who attends an Anchorage high school, was reportedly absent for what would have been the last 4 -5 months of her mother’s pregnancy, claiming to be suffering from a prolonged case of mono.
2) Sarah Palin’s water broke while she was attending a conference in Texas. She then proceeded to give a 30-minute speech before taking an 11-12 hour flight home to Alaska to give birth.
3) All photos on the Alaska State Department’s official website that show Sarah Palin and her family have been taken down.
UPDATE!!! THIS POST WILL BE UPDATED AS NEW INFORMATION COMES IN.
Sunday August 31, 2008, 11:30p.m.
H/T The Red Pen at DailyKos
OK, there is a visibly-pregnant Sarah Palin talking with a CBS 11 (Dallas Juneau) reporter at the Governor’s meeting in Texas end of the Alaska legislative session. She clearly appears to be pregnant.
Unless someone has counter evidence, we can drop this crap now. Yes, there are still some interesting questions, such as why she flew to Dallas and back when she was this pregnant, and why the Alaska Airlines crew members insisted that she was not visibly pregnant on the flight. Nevertheless, until this photo is debunked, we look stupid pushing this rumor.
That is all.
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For The Red Pen “that is all” and maybe it is but I will keep looking into this until concrete evidence like a non doctored birth certificate or and affidavit from a doctor, nurse or hospital official who has not been bribed. For all I know Sarah Palin is wearing a “fat” suit or the piture was photoshoped. After all this photo only came to light on the web days after blogs began questioning.
Also there is still the unanswered question of Bristol’s 4-5 month absence from school for mononucleosis. With that said, someone else at the school or in their town should have been out for about the same time. So far nothing has been uncovered.
UPDATE!! September 1, 2008, 9:15 am
Blogger are searching Alaskan hospital birth records and nothing has been found yet. One hospital Mat-Su Reginoal Medical Center in Palmer Alaska has taken their site down. What’s up with that??
UPDATE!! September 1, 2008, 12noon
Today, The Anchorage Daily News has published to following:
Palins say teen daughter is pregnant
ST. PAUL, Minn. – Gov. Sarah Palin said today that her 17-year-old daughter, Bristol, is pregnant.
Palin, who arrived in St. Paul today to accept the Republican nomination for vice president, sent out a joint statement with her husband, Todd.
“Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that as parents we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned,” they said. “We’re proud of Bristol’s decision to have her baby and even prouder to become grandparents. As Bristol faces the responsibilities of adulthood, she knows she has our unconditional love and support.
“Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family. We ask the media to respect our daughter and Levi’s privacy as has always been the tradition of children of candidates,” the Palin family statement concluded.
The Daily News had asked Palin’s press secretary, Bill McAllister, over the weekend to address rumors that Bristol was pregnant.
“I don’t know. I have no evidence that Bristol’s pregnant,” he said on Saturday.
With the announcement that Bristol is indeed pregnant this blog and will not be posted this topic again. Changed my mind
CBC (Canadian Broadcast Company) did the following report during the RNC Convention
CBC raises questions about Trig Palin’s birth
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August 31st, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Hi. They cannot suppress the truth by taking down all the pictures from a government website. One way or another, the truth will come out.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:38 pm
This person met her right before she gave birth. You can’t see the stomach though.
http://www.polartrec.com/node/3944
August 31st, 2008 at 2:43 pm
mariamariacuchita:
The truth will come out. The GOP is great for scandals and very bad on the truth meter and cover ups. I wonder who order the pictures to be take down.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:48 pm
yarrrrrr:
Thanks for the link.
Eventually Sarah and her family are going to have to address this. Hard evidence will be needed not doctored birth certificates or paid off hospital staff. Sarah is in the big league now so she better get up to speed on addressing political fires.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Don’t think for a minute that I’m voting for this woman, but – just to play devil’s advocate – what are the chances of a 17-year-old having a child with Down Syndrome? The chances are 1 in 60 for a woman over 42, but something like 1 in 1000 for someone under 30…
On the other hand, didn’t she go into labor, *then* deliver a 30-minute speech in Texas before flying home for “induced labor”??
Shady, shady…
August 31st, 2008 at 4:28 pm
[...] BlueBloggin — which says it matters because “Sarah Palin is pro-life” and a “proponent of abstinence only education”. [...]
August 31st, 2008 at 4:36 pm
I was fascinated by this rumor. Was. After spending too much time than I’m willing to admit reading up on it I have concluded that Trig is indeed Sarah Palin’s child. I think the most significant evidence is this: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=117egpk&s=4 . This photo, which was taken on Friday, shows that Bristol looks like she is pregnant. Not only that, but more than 4 months pregnant. That would rule her out as the mother of Trig.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:58 pm
hi hope it is true just because i think it would be just horrible to have someone like her (anti-choice, anti-gay, pro-gun, empty suit, in the white house – chilling thought that she could become president if something happened to mccain.
August 31st, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Your post makes me feel so dirty. What if it’s true? You’ve made a creepy intrusion into a family and exposed a 17 year old kid. What if you’re wrong? You’ve still made a creepy intrusion into a family.
August 31st, 2008 at 6:19 pm
Jones:
Are you suggesting that Bristol is currently pregnant? Well, that makes for another story since Sarah Palin is an avid proponent of abstinence.
I agree that this need further investigation and it does need to be addressed by Palin.
August 31st, 2008 at 6:25 pm
p s:
Sorry I made you feel that way. It is unfortunate that any family of a political figure gets put under the microscope. However, since Palin is anti-everything and does not believe in contraceptive education, her daughter and family unfortunately become involved.
Also the GOP family values that keep getting shoved down our throat need to start ringing a bell with their own party. Continued lies, scandals and cover ups have to come to a stop. If Palin is the maverick that the GOP has portrayed her to be then she would come clean.
August 31st, 2008 at 6:31 pm
ACW:
Women under the age of 35 are 85% more likely to a down syndrome baby. Palin is 44 which puts her in the 15% group.
Yes the speech in Texas is correct. Not only did she give the speech after her water broke but she then flew home to Alaska (11-12 hours) and went to a small town hospital 45 minutes from the airport. Two things there are major hospitals near the Alaskan airport where she landed and Texas has hospitals, we have had a few babies born here.
It shocks me that the PUMAs will vote for this women just to make their point. It has zero impact on them that Palin is against everything that they and the democratic party stands for.
August 31st, 2008 at 6:34 pm
nytexan,
Yes, that is the word in Pailn’s social circle in Alaska: Bristol is indeed currently pregnant. And the photo from Friday clearly supports that. The photo again: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=117egpk&s=4
August 31st, 2008 at 6:34 pm
girl:
The truth will come out. It shocks me that McCain would pick Palin and leave the country with an untested, inexperience hockey mom. Even her mother-in-law can;t figure out what Sarah brings to the ticket. So much for McCain’s “country first”
What a putz.
August 31st, 2008 at 8:21 pm
I think I may have been wrong.
August 31st, 2008 at 8:25 pm
Jones:
I love honesty. What’s the problem with the photo link you provided and your theory that Bristol is 4 months pregnant?
August 31st, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Because if a picture’s worth a thousand words, video can only be better, right? Both of these shortly before she announced she was 7 months along in early March…
Early February footage from Iditarod race
Mid-February footage from the Iron Dog race
(that’s her with the checkered flag)
I’m just saying, from my own experience with two pregnancies, and from my own experience of eleven winters in Alaska, she’s pretty darn nimble. I mean, you walk like a robot on snow/ice when you’re *not* preggers…
The thing that struck me most when glancing over a few photos of the family is that Palin’s eldest daughter does not appear to have smiled at all in the past year.
Regardless of whether it’s fact or rumor, who do you think dug it up first to put their spin on it? I’m wondering if the McCain campaign didn’t get the immediate reaction they were looking for and dug this up to discredit her…
(sorry to commandeer your blog; I promise I’m done on this topic for tonight)
August 31st, 2008 at 9:02 pm
ACW:
Thanks for the links and your comments. No you have not commandeered my blog.
I like your theory about the McCain people putting this out there to dump her from the ticket. Maybe McCain should have spent more than two visits with Palin before he offered her the job.
August 31st, 2008 at 9:24 pm
There are two main reasons why I think may be wrong:
1) Although I didn’t give it due consideration at the time, I now think that it is possible that Bristol may be carrying excess weight from her pregnancy and so is not currently pregnant. The fact that she has been out of sight and probably not very active and that some women do carry excess post-pregnancy weight for quite some time after giving birth means that carrying such weight even four months after giving birth is not as implausible as initially assumed.
2) The place of birth. If Sarah Palin is right, then she went to a lot of trouble (passing other hospitals along the way) to get to the hospital in the very small town where she supposedly had her baby delivered. Why would she? Perhaps because she didn’t. Perhaps it’s where Bristol decided to give birth. Why might she have done that? Well, it turns out there is teenager professing his love for Bristol Palin who lives in that town. His myspace page was recently made private.
August 31st, 2008 at 9:35 pm
Here’s what Sarah Palin said when asked about abortion during her 2006 gubernatorial race:
http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/elections/2006/governor/story/8372383p-8266781c.html
What if her own daughters were raped and became pregnant?
Palin replied: “I would choose life.”
Just so that we’re all clear. McCain’s choice for VP said on the record that should her daughter be raped, she would force her continue have the baby.
This is the type of depraved pro-life doctrine that makes most sane and civilized people cringe.
I applaud McCandy and her husband for helping her unwed, 16 year old high school daughter raise her baby. It’s pretty damned cool. But what pisses me off is the lie. The elaborate story that little Trig is McCandy’s baby. Is McCandy really so worried what the GOP country club people think? If so, she’s a damned hypocrite.
But then, aren’t all Republicans?
August 31st, 2008 at 10:03 pm
Christopher:
If this it true, I would have far more respect for Palin if she was truthful and upfront in the beginning. But then that’s not the GOP way.
August 31st, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Heavens, people!!! You need to be searching tmz.com or perezhilton.com!!! You want celebrity gossip and slander. Sheesh.
OK, her daughter has a belly. Many girls and women do. She’s not a model or anorexic actress. It does not look like she is pregnant. Get over it and go pick on people who want to be in the limelight, those idiots like Jessica Simpson, Britney Spears, Kim Whoever. To pick on this family is silly…and I am not voting for Mrs. Palin!
Christopher, all politicians are hypocrites. Not just the Republicans.
August 31st, 2008 at 10:15 pm
Possible correction about the hospital location: I’m getting conflicting information about where exactly the hospital is located in relation to Palin’s home and other nearby hospitals.
August 31st, 2008 at 10:17 pm
livin la vida sububia:
Celebrities bore me. Actually we are vetting Palin since McCain didn’t bother to do it. Vetting is far different than gossip.
August 31st, 2008 at 10:19 pm
Jones:
Check out an Alaskan blog named Mudflats, they are in my blogroll, you may get answers there. I will be adding more Alaskan bloggers as I find them.
August 31st, 2008 at 10:38 pm
Guys…we have to stop this nonsense please.
I just got off the phone with my half-sister who has lived in Wasilla Alaska most of her adult life. I’ve actually been to Wasilla and it is a very small town. Quite beautiful, btw.
I asked Fran if she knew the Palin’s and, of course, she did. It’s too small a town for the answer to be otherwise. Fran and her husband are not personal friends of the Palins but are involved with that snow race thingie that Palin’s husband runs every year.
Okay…for all the folks who are running this ugly story…Fran told me that she was in Palin’s presence many times when it was obvious that the woman was indeed preggers.
So, everybody take a deep breath…pause…and deal with the very real threat that this woman is to the democrats. Go at her on the very REAL problems that her political views cause for our country. Flinging dirt in this instance will backfire horribly for us and it wastes valuable time that we need to prepare for the election.
I know the Republicans have no moral problem with playing totally dirty politics. I’m not suggesting we be wimps. I’m saying, don’t fall for this one, gang. It’s a no-win proposition and stands to hurt two innocent children. Yes, someone who would abolish even birth control for religious reasons has no business running our country…BUT, if we let this fight fall back to abortion or gay/rights we play right into neocon hands AND we lose the chance to talk about the REAL problems facing this country AGAIN!
Neocons got Bush elected twice. This woman has them mad with joy and they are energized AGAIN.
Get focused …get busy… we’re in for a fight. I believe we have better answers to the great problems of our time. Get THAT message out. Not this waste of energy that will backfire on us and have neocons defending her EVEN more.
Look at it this way,…even if the story were true…imagine the spin they could put on it. It is a no-win.
Mick
August 31st, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Thanks nytexan, but I already know of that blog.
I expect this will be my last post tonight so I think it is well to give my overall assessment of all the evidence I’ve side, both pro and con. I think the evidence overall suggests that Trig is indeed Sarah’s child. But I also think the evidence also suggests that Bristol is currently pregnant.
August 31st, 2008 at 10:44 pm
Menopausal Mick:
I have no reason to doubt your sister. Thanks for getting information direct from Alaska out there. However, many Alaskan bloggers have had and are still asking the same question.
This is the only post that will be covered on this blog unless concrete evidence appears for a validation or correction.
August 31st, 2008 at 10:48 pm
Jones:
Thanks for your hard work. I am interested at getting at the truth. This blog has always posted completely researched and evidence backed post. So I am only willing to make this venturing once. I guess because McCain has made little if any attempt to vet Palin.
I will gladly make any corrections or provide further proof if it turns out to be true.
August 31st, 2008 at 11:46 pm
Jones…the picture you linked to of Bristol does not necessarily show she is currently pregnant….many of us continued to appear pregnant a few months after giving birth. I cringe looking at pictures of me holding my infant, while still looking pregnant.
Whatever the truth, it’s a very sad story for this young girl. She appears so unhappy. If this is her baby, what a horrible situation she has been put into.
September 1st, 2008 at 4:52 am
Menopausal Mick –
Interesting story. Your half-sister seems to be the only one on earth who knew McCandy was with child.
No one in the Governors office, who worked with McCandy 5 days a week, no one in the Alaska senate who saw McCandy on a regular basis, no other governors who attended a national conference just weeks before McCandy delivered, no one at the energy conference in Texas just hours before she allegedly gave birth to Trig, and no one on the flight back to Juneau following the energy conference.
Shuck, even Mat-Su Hospital has no record of a “Trig Palin” being born in April, 2008. There were 26 births recorded and reported in Mat-Su’s on-line baby registry and none of them were named “Trig Palin.” McCandy said this was the hospital she used, so maybe she was confused?
September 1st, 2008 at 5:12 am
How come the Mat Su Regional Medical Center’s web site is down right now??? The cover up is certainly growing and is only a matter of time before the hypocritical Republican juggernaut, religous fanatics, and outright liars start to go down. There is no better way I would see the Republicans fall flat on their face than for them to be done in by a topic that runs counter to their fanatical beliefs.
September 1st, 2008 at 5:38 am
Les,
Sources tell me Mat-Su has had more than 120,000 hits in the past 36 hours researching their on-line birth registry.
So, either they crashed, or, they’re quickly adding the name “Trig Palin” on April 18, 2008, as instructed by the RNC and the governor’s office.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:16 am
Les:
Thanks for info. I checked out the hospital and the URL takes you to a blank page. As for Menopausal Mick his sister is the only one in Alaska who has said a word on behalf of Palin. Heck Palin’s own staff who saw her everyday didn’t even know she was pregnant.
I will continue to update this post. Bloggers will get to the bottom of this.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:36 am
@ Jones, point (2):
This is what raised a red flag for me. I remembered my parents driving from the valley to Wasilla every other weekend when I was a kid, and – though online maps show 59 minutes’ travel – they always allowed at least an hour and a half, particularly in winter or break-up season (March/April). At that point in time, the highway we traveled was one lane each direction, so if you were in a rush (i.e., in labor), it could be as dangerous as, say, boarding an airplane in labor. You never really knew when you’d reach your destination. *However*, I see that the Glenn Highway has since been expanded into a ‘freeway’, presumably with more than one lane each way.
@nytexan:
I’ve already alluded to the fact I’m not supporting McCain, no matter who his veep is. That being said, I’m reluctant to aid in the spin of this topic, not knowing who started it. IMHO, the best thing for *McCain’s campaign* right now would be for Palin to be removed as veep – regardless of what’s best for this country or for women breaking through the glass ceiling – which is precisely why I’d like to see her stay exactly where she is until late October. I view politics like a game of poker, and really hate to show my hand until absolutely necessary, because it gives the competitor’s side a chance to react and adjust circumstances to be in his favor. I think all good Democrats should pat McCain on the back and publicly say “Good choice there, bub” and snicker all the way to the polls; it appears he’s grasping at straws by choosing her, relatively sight unseen, for veep (kinda makes him seem sexist, if you ask me – ‘one woman is as good as another’). We’re not trying to sway Republicans, but the moderates. I’m moving on from this topic to points that show she’s anything but moderate.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:44 am
Please be advised that all information coming from Wasilla/Palmer area, Bristol Palin appears to be very pregnant now. I am a former Wasilla resident and have been following Sarah’s rise for years. Let’s focus on this appearant fact and Sarah’s abuse of power while in office.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:27 am
mike:
Thanks for the update. This post has draw hundreds of readers for whatever reason. Could be everyone is sick of GOP hypocrisy. This is why the post will be updated as information arrives. Every single veep in vetted and apparently this women was not. The McCain staff should have asked questions from the beginning.
Yes I am following the abuse of power story and have posted on the possible impeachment of Palin as governor.
All topics on Sarah Palin will be focused on she is an unknown playing in the big league now.
September 1st, 2008 at 10:43 am
I was right: Bristol Palin is pregnant and Trig is Sarah’s Palin’s son: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/palin-confirms-daughters-pregnancy-915378.html
September 1st, 2008 at 10:48 am
This rumor has been falsified and the entire post should be deleted out of respect for the family it libels. Sarah Palin has just announced that her daughter Bristol is five months pregnant, making it impossible that Bristol could have given birth to five-month-old Trig.
September 1st, 2008 at 10:58 am
Jones:
Yes, I have just read an article at the Anchorage paper and the Palin’s released a statement about Bristol.
My post will be updated.
September 1st, 2008 at 11:01 am
DAILY KOS ARE SCUM BAGS !!!
All you small minded people who are crucifying Governor Palin over the question of her fifth child, are just fueling a vicious smear campaign. Besides, if you want to exhibit your holier-than-thou attitude … why don’t you get even more angry at Obama, Michelle, and their children, for spending 20 years in an anti-American racist church, as well as associations with Farrakhan, Wright, Ayers, Rezko, etc.. These facts are much more relevant to the next administration, than the possibility of a loving mother taking the heat to protect her child and grandchild.
September 1st, 2008 at 11:13 am
Gina:
McCain can’t be bothered vetting her so the public will. GOP hypocrisy is what’s pushing this. Bringing Obama into this shows how myopic your views are when you spin very old talking point.
If you bothered to look at other post on this blog you would read that Gov. Palin is under investigation and could be impeached in Alaska.
September 1st, 2008 at 11:19 am
Gina:
I forgot to add this quote from the Anchorage Daily News published August 31, 2008. Apparently Alaskans have been asking the same question for several months.
“OK – the Palin baby speculation is inescapable at this point. It’s a version of a rumor – long simmering in Alaska — that Palin’s daughter Bristol was pregnant and the governor somehow covered it up by pretending to have the baby (Trig) herself.”
September 1st, 2008 at 11:27 am
Almost two years ago, my 17 year old great niece and her 19 year old half sister gave birth to Downs Syndrome children. There is no history of Downs on either family line. One of these children required hear surgery, both required a feeding tube. The day-to-day physical therapy and care is intense. The 19 year old had previously had a child taken away from her by the state. The Downs baby was also taken away due to the needs of the child and her inability to care for her. My niece immediately became pregant again.
September 1st, 2008 at 11:35 am
So the story has legs…it will be really interesting to see how the evangelicals respond to the teenage pregnancy, and how the average woman voter responds to the insistence that abstinence is the only education that should be offered young girls. Maybe if McCain had met her more than once before the position was offered, he could have avoided this.
September 1st, 2008 at 11:36 am
“One Rule
I encourage comments from all sides. I will not edit any comments. They post as you have written them. However, your comments will be deleted for the following reason only: I will not tolerate racism on any level especially the use of the “N” word.”
Then why do you tolerate BHO’s affiliation to a racist Chicago church, for 20 years, that spewed hate and blatant lies, they said the white man created AIDS(who was it Karl Rove and Rush Limbaugh in the lab, cue the sinister laughter.)
If you would take the time to read some of Obama’s writings for the Chicago Defender in Hyde Park. I would suggest anyone who is white read these. It gives you a completely different view of Obama as nothing close to a post partisan, beyong race politician. He does not care about white middle class America, check that, he desperately needs your vote but will do nothing to help you once he receives it.
I only stumbled here from a Google search on the erroneous pregnancy report of Trig Palin. Wow they should have let this go a little longer just to show how hateful and lie spreading machine the left can be. I am sure Sarah Palin and her husband are devastated and at least their public comments are no like the whore Dakota Cody who wrote, somewhat ironically, Juno, which in my view was a celebration of teen pregnancy.
HRC would have beat us in a landslide, but BHO is in trouble. Who cares about the Alaska investigation? Nobody who would vote for the Republican ticket. I personally want someone in power who would risk a career hit to protect her father from violence(ex brother in law threatened to kill him 3 times if he helped retain a lawyer) and look out for her sister who obviously has no taste in men.
Good luck to you guys in November, I can’t wait for the RNC to roll out the Rev Wright hate of white middle class America campaign in all the battleground states.
September 1st, 2008 at 11:42 am
I just want to say that the idea that Rev. Wright has ever said anything racist that has come to public light is absurd. I’ve read volumes about it, and nowhere can I find an even remotely plausible explanation of how anything he’s said is racist. The Obama campaign needs to take a stand on this if it ever becomes an issue again.
September 1st, 2008 at 11:49 am
When you say “God Damn America”, repeatedly, you are spreading a divisive and hateful tone, and when you sit there for 20 years you agree.
Sorry, BHO, not everyone puts their country first.
Don’t worry we will let 70 year old white grandmas in the battleground states determine if they interpret The great Reverend as being hateful. More importantly, BHO voted 100% of the Time with Emil Jones. I am from Chicago so I have the “priviledge” of reading about Rezko all the time, they love bringing him up in the Sun Times, to me his story is insignificant compared with other very questionable BHO affiliations.
There actually should be a plausible explanation how Jones’ nose did not grow while posting that comment.
September 1st, 2008 at 12:04 pm
OK, Dan. Quote what Rev. Wright said that is racist and explain precisely why it is racist. That is a challenge.
September 1st, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Dan:
Thanks for post my “one Rule” however, can you please name the comment you are referring to. Also this post nor the comments except for “Gina” brought up Obama.
If you want to read posts about Obama or Clinton or Rev. Wright please check the archives. This thread is about Sarah Palin
Now getting back to the topic at hand; with the announcement that Bristol is pregnant this is a non issues at this blog and will not be posted on again.
September 1st, 2008 at 1:40 pm
that preggo pic is photoshopped.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CTjA6xkWz0
September 1st, 2008 at 1:44 pm
What a hateful and slanderous website. Think of all the evil which you attribute to the GOP. You are at least as bad, for the mean-spirited character killing you’re doing here. Shame on you.
September 1st, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Who is the mother of Trig?
She wasn’t pregnant. How long does it
take to get pregnant for the second time?
This woman is crazy. Her daughter is
a baby machine just like her mother.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:08 pm
You failed to mention that the Guv was back at work THREE DAYS after giving birth to Trig.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:08 pm
People… Do the math. Bristol is 5 months pregnant. Trig is 4 months old.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:09 pm
“You failed to mention that the Guv was back at work THREE DAYS after giving birth to Trig.”
So what. My wife was up getting coffee for the nurses within 30 minutes of having our oldest.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Grow up, people. This can happen to any family. They are exhibiting good judgment as well, here. I know some families that have disowned their daughters when this happened. At least the Palins are giving her their support.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:13 pm
There was prima facie evidence suggesting that Trig may not be Sarah’s Palin’s child, but her grandchild. That was evidence was always inconclusive. And always defeasible, were new information to come to light. New information has now come to light, and the vast majority of liberals are dropping the idea. As Lis Angus here makes clear, there will be at least a few exceptions. But these are exceptions. In short, this whole episode is in no way comparable to the months-long campaign of slander that Obama has endured at the hands of the right, even as the slanders have been decisively refuted.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:27 pm
ALL:
Let’s move on. This is a non issues.
FOR ANYONE WHO DID READ THE TOP OF THIS POST
With the announcement that Bristol is indeed pregnant (posted at the bottom) this blog will not be posted this topic again.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Tit for tat righties.
Obama without flag lapel pin = lack of patriotism
Palin without burgeoning belly = lack of pregnancy
Well, in light of all the crap flung at Obama for not wearing a flag pin, for listening to a crazy preacher, for having a funny name, for growing up in Hawaii, for being black,….. etc, etc. I want to see a birth certificate, authentic birth certificate indicating who is the mother of Trig Palin. Why does this Palin woman get a pass from the vetting process. It is ugly and it will only get uglier. For the reps, jerimiah wright was “right” on one thing, the chickens have come home to roost. Now let’s see who’s been sitting on those eggs.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:50 pm
That girl is not pregnant…it’s all a cover up to quiet these rumors that they have yet to address…they’ll probably say she miscarried to shore up sympathy votes…the repugs are the lowest of the low so I don’t put anything past them…
September 1st, 2008 at 2:58 pm
hmm, I still think that it is possible that Trig is Bristol’s child. There are siblings that are less than a year apart. It almost makes weird sense that a teenage girl would think that she was immune from pregnancy so close to giving birth.
the stories floating around by msm is that bristol is 4/5 months pregmant. what if she is only 3 or 3.5?
September 1st, 2008 at 3:16 pm
John McCain’s life is a master stroke of mystery and adversity.Granting that he knows this issue of pregnancy of Sarah Palin as his vp’s running mate, it points out vital issues facing the country on teen age pregnancy and down syndrome, and ends on the sanctity of life.
Granting arguendo, that Sarah Palin is pretending to be the mother of Trig who is now 4 months old(she gave birth last April)in fact and in truth Bristol who is the real mother, its quite possible that she could be pregnant four months after giving birth? The best evidence as to the delivery pf Trig is with hospital records for the delivery or civil registry for registration of births, in case the delivery was done in the house and assisted by health care providers and/or by experienced provider in the village.
For me, I don’t care! Sarah and Bristols pregnancy will not pay my rent neither their names appear on my pay check!
So what if she is the vice-president with that issue surrounding her person. At least, they are clean in bringing
honor and integrity in the White House. No seeds sexual jobs being sown in the carpet in the Oval Office.
September 1st, 2008 at 3:25 pm
How do we know she is 5 months? She could be 3 months and 25 days – it’s happened before.
September 1st, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Karl:
It seems Bristol is 3-4 months pregnant again. When Sarah
announced last March that she was pregnant and gave birth on after her speaking engagement in Texas, Bristol was out of school for almost 5 months on reason of mono infection.
However, this is part of the mystery that will work out in favor of the McCain candidacy. among the conservatives, pregnancy as a sign of preserving life rather than abortion is a high-issue.
This election is so closed. McCain is aiming to win 1 to 2 percent over Barack in highly rural villages. In their knock on the door campaign, they will spread this issue against Obama
as part of his black propaganda campaign against the pentecostal Sarah Palin.
September 1st, 2008 at 3:26 pm
You hateful blue devils! Don’t you know that when republicans lie it is ALWAYS justified. It’s for your own good that the republicans tell you what you need to know. Sarah Palin should be canonized for her Lady Madonna personna. (can’t you just hear Paul McCartney singing in the background?). This whole story is full of more holes than swiss cheese. She had to know that there would be questions about her life and her background. But this whole soap opera of a family life issue pales in comparison to the allegations that she abused her power as governor to fire someone who didnt’ fire her nasty brother in law. The bottom line, if found to be true, indicates she’s just Dick Cheney in a dress.
September 1st, 2008 at 3:47 pm
I think Mark Cherry (screenwriter) is conjuring this all up! It sounds JUST like “Desperate Housewives” ….Same plot as last year’s show with Bree!
September 1st, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Well, as Sarah Palin has just come to the attention of the lower 48, I’m looking for info where ever I can. Here’s what is concerning me — she just isn’t qualified and she’s putting herself before her family and state. Mitt Romeny, Mike Huckabee, Elizabeth Dole –those are qualified people. I won’t vote for McCain, no matter whom he chose but my God, couldn’t he have at least chosen someone who could take over if something happens to him? Hockey Mom with a journalism degree just doesn’t cut it. If she truly cared, she would have turned McCain down. This puts Bristol right in the limelight. Just an aside, if Trig is baby #5, the labor would have been short and sweet and born in Tx. Former teenage mom (now 40), still married to the Dad and voting Obama. Bristol, hang in there.
September 1st, 2008 at 5:15 pm
I went to Mat-Su Regional Website for the nursery. There are two names Isaiah Travis and
Kayden Lexus on April/18/2008. No Trig or Palin on the date. What gives? The link to the registry
http://www.matsuregional.com/nursery/nursery_calendar.php?month=06&year=2008
September 1st, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Author: Frank Magno
Comment:
Karl:
It seems Bristol is 3-4 months pregnant again. When Sarah
announced last March that she was pregnant and gave birth on after her speaking
engagement in Texas, Bristol was out of school for almost 5 months on reason of
mono infection.
However, this is part of the mystery that will work out in favor of the McCain
candidacy. among the conservatives, pregnancy as a sign of preserving life
rather than abortion is a high-issue.
This election is so closed. McCain is aiming to win 1 to 2 percent over Barack
in highly rural villages. In their knock on the door campaign, they will spread
this issue against Obama
as part of his black propaganda campaign against the pentecostal Sarah Palin.
Frank Mango,
You’ve got to be kidding me. There is no doubt that Senator McCain probably knew about “the pregnancy”. Whether it was the pseudo-Sarah pregnancy, or the Bristol pregnancy. To use either one as vote bait is just reprehensible. There is no “black propaganda campaign” on the part of Obama and those of you who use this type of rhetoric seem to conveniently forget that Obama’s mother was white. He grew up in a decidedly “blended” family and I believe that is why he works so hard to close the divisions of most kinds in our country. Obama does not maintain that women should have abortions, but agrees with most of the country that women should have a choice. It’s just as easy to say that Sarah, or Bristol for that matter, “chose” life, in which case, were exercising their right to choose. No one thinks abortion is a good thing, and everyone hopes that they are never put in the position to have to make that choice, but to criminalize abortion for any reason, even in the cases where the life of the mother is in jeopardy, IS choosing “life”. this brings us full circle back to the abstinence only debate. Perhaps preparation for adolescent biological urges and sexuality would’ve prevented Bristol’s unexpected pregnancy instead of speaking in tongues and keeping your fingers crossed. Please tell me that the majority of the country is just not that myopic.
September 1st, 2008 at 6:10 pm
I am pro-life. Gee, who isn’t pro-life. But I’m also pro-choice. I was a teenage Mom and even though Dad and I had already planned to get married, it was still so very hard. Ugh, sorry for any typos. New computer, new keyboard. Stiff keys. Back on topic – It serioulsy looks like no vetting was done on Sarah Palin. I do not see, how in a million years, that this could work to McCain’s advantage. Old DWI on hubby, hey it happens, sadly. It appears it never happened again and no one was hurt. But just her lack of experience and then the other issues of the bridge flip-flop and troopergate shows that McCain just picked any female. Was Elizabeth Dole not available? The thought of Sarah Palin being 2nd in charge scares me.
September 1st, 2008 at 6:16 pm
OK Everyone:
If you want to read where Palin stands on the issues, I have posted it.
While I understand there are many questions unanswered and what seem to be lies surrounding the whole thing we need to move on. We need to focus and get off this or it will blow up and McCain will win through a sympathy vote for Palin!
September 1st, 2008 at 6:17 pm
Interesting how all of those Family Values folks love to preach out of the old testament when it supports their hatred, but when it’s one of their own, it’s a whole nother thing all together.The Bible says that fornication or immorality is an abomination, and considered as “filthy” before God (Revelation 17:4).
In order to avoid immorality, the Bible says that God created marriage (1 Corinthians 7:1-2). In Hebrews 13:4, the Bible says, “Marriage is honorable among all, and the bed undefiled; but fornicators and adulterers God will judge.” This is a reality.
The Bible says that if a Christian is sexually immoral, other Christians should separate their company and fellowship from him/her (1 Corinthians 5:9-11).
And don’t try to explain this all away by saying Jesus died for our sins so it is OKAY. These books came AFTER Jesus.
September 1st, 2008 at 6:24 pm
I think Eliot Spitzer is the father of Trig, and Bristol is indeed the mother.
Oh Eliot.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:13 pm
I predict that Palin will leave the ticket, moaning that her family’s privacy has been invaded and blaming liberals who “outed” the family secrets. McMoron will fume and have to choose another running mate. (He likes younger woman so he’ll be furious with the libs, too, for costing him Palin.)
Oh well, maybe Bristol will ask him to be the godfather…
September 1st, 2008 at 8:22 pm
The Comment below got lost in cyberspace but was in the e-mail so out of respect for the commenter I am posting it.
Submitted by:Anonymous
This rumor has been falsified and the entire post should be deleted out of respect for the family it libels. Sarah Palin has just announced that her daughter Bristol is five months pregnant, making it impossible that Bristol could have given birth to five-month-old Trig.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:48 pm
http://deals.families.com/domestic-infant-down-syndrome-adoptionwhere-to-start,t113282
im just sayin’…
September 1st, 2008 at 11:23 pm
A simple DNA test would solve all of the doubts. Then we would all know for sure who the parents are.
September 1st, 2008 at 11:26 pm
Why not settle the whole question with a simple DNA test, done by an independent lab? Then the mystery will be solved and it will be clear whether this has been a cover-up or not.
September 2nd, 2008 at 5:14 am
Who cares! DNA testing? What is this some day time tv show where the mother doesn’t know who the father is? You people must all have absolutley nothing else to do with your lives than point fingers and make wild allegations against people you have no clue about. Yet your going to vote for a guy who keeps talking about change and the only change would be the name of the President because he hasn’t once mentioned one change that he want’s to make that is realand not make believe! For the record I’m not a Mcain fan but think it’s so childish to say what you have about the whole Palin make believe story. I’d like to write more but I have a job to go to right after I dump out my used oil in the back yard from my gasoline propelled vehicle that gets 15 mile to the gallon.
September 2nd, 2008 at 8:21 am
[...] Blue Bloggin: Trig Palin, Who’s Yo’ Mama, Sarah or Bristol? [...]
September 2nd, 2008 at 9:33 am
I can’t believe people are actually suggesting to shut down any debate on this one.
Sarah has come out and said they have been hiding the fact Bristol is 5 months pregnant and only came out after bloggers for MONTHS have been claiming Bristols the mommy so it’s impossible for her to have had Trig. Well that’s sorted then isn’t it, please move along people nothing to see here… she said it now so it must be true.
In other news Bush says he knows there is WMD’s in Iraq(don’t question this), Bill Clinton says he never had sexual relations with Monica(don’t question it!) and Richard Nixon never used the CIA to investigate the Democrat Party(hey can everyone PLEASE PLEASE stop questioning!)
Christ has the public really been dumbed down to a lot of unquestioning serfs? I question everything and this one has the BS detector going off the scales.
September 2nd, 2008 at 9:36 am
“Why not solve the whole thing with DNA testing by an independent lab?”
Uhhh, we couldn’t even get an independent study of 9/11, and McCain is gonna want to cover this up as much as Bush, Rove, and Cheney wanted to cover up what really took place on that horrid day.
GOP better get ready to donate a lot to McMCain.Palin, they are gonna need the quick cash infusion to hush up everybody in Wasilla!
September 2nd, 2008 at 12:37 pm
You guys are forgetting 2 things here:
(1) When pregnant for a second time, you tend to show faster then the first. Which means Bristol could be 4 months pregnant and look 5.
(2) All of the family pictures are missing from the governors website. The ones left on there she does not look pregnant. The Lt. Gov has more pictures then she does, very interesting.
Look, I am not sure what is real here and what isn’t. I am sure that someone knows and if people do enough digging, someone always makes a mistake. Don’t you think one of the kids from her high school would leak this information to the press? I am sure she has an enemy here or there.
September 2nd, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Dear friends,
So many people have asked me about what I know about Sarah Palin in the
last 2 days that I decided to write something up . . .
Basically, Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton have only 2 things in
common: their gender and their good looks.
You have my permission to forward this to your friends/email contacts
with my name and email address attached, but please do not post it on
any websites, as there are too many kooks out there . . .
Thanks,
ABOUT SARAH PALIN
I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah since 1992.
Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a
first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her
father was my child’s favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a
first name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more
City Council meetings during her administration than about 99% of the
residents of the city.
She is enormously popular; in every way she’s like the most popular
girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice and
won’t vote for her can’t quit smiling when talking about her because
she is a “babe”.
It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She
kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents
for seven months.
She is “pro-life”. She recently gave birth to a Down’s syndrome baby.
There is no cover-up involved, here; Trig is her baby.
She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the gym.
She is savvy. She doesn’t take positions; she just “puts things out
there” and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.
Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP and is a
champion snowmobile racer. Todd Palin’s kind of job is highly
sought-after because of the schedule and high pay. He arranges his
work schedule so he can fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or
so in summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is fishing their
major source of income. Nor has her life-style ever been anything
like that of native Alaskans.
Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters.
She’s smart.
Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000
(at the time), and less than 2 years as governor of a state with about
670,000 residents.
During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running
this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been
pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had
gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had
given rise to a recall campaign.
Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a “fiscal conservative”. During her 6
years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over
33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the
City increased by 38%. This was during a period of low inflation
(1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a
regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she
promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they
benefited residents.
The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration
weren’t enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed
money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it
with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage
the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said
she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a
new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a
multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece
of property that the City didn’t even have clear title to, that was
still in litigation 7 yrs later–to the delight of the lawyers
involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the
community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it
would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that
could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.
While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office
redecorated more than once.
These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.
As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus
in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will
make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she
proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.
In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she
recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while
she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today’s
surplus, borrow for needs.
She’s not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas
or compromise. As Mayor, she fought ideas that weren’t generated by
her or her staff. Ideas weren’t evaluated on their merits, but on the
basis of who proposed them.
While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected
City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing from
the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents
rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin’s
attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew
her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the
Librarian are on her enemies list to this day.
Sarah complained about the “old boy’s club” when she first ran for
Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of “old boys”. Palin
fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the City and as
Governor she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people,
creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally
grateful and fiercely loyal–loyal to the point of abusing their power
to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the
case of pressuring the State’s top cop (see below).
As Mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla’s Police Chief because he “intimidated”
her, she told the press. As Governor, her recent firing of Alaska’s top
cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure
and she had every legal right to fire him, but it’s pretty clear that
an important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn’t
fire her sister’s ex-husband, a State Trooper. Under investigation
for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than 2 dozen
contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that she
later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law. She tried to
replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded
for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew
her support.
She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in
help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town
introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council
became one of her first targets when she was later elected Mayor. She
abruptly fired her loyal City Administrator; even people who didn’t
like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.
Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything
publicly about her.
When then-Governor Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got
the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission: one
of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no
background in oil & gas issues. Within months of scoring this great
job which paid $122,400/yr, she was complaining in the press about the
high salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the
structured hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this
Commission (who was also the State Chair of the Republican Party)
engaged in unethical behavior on the job. In a gutsy move which some
undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all
her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and
garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a
gutsy fighter against the “old boys’ club” when she dramatically quit,
exposing this man’s ethics violations (for which he was fined).
As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from
Senator Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel
politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the “bridge to
nowhere” after it became clear that it would be unwise not to.
As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget
guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing
projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative
action restored most of these projects–which had been vetoed simply
because she was not aware of their importance–but with the unobservant
she had gained a reputation as “anti-pork”.
She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The State party
leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated
them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a
fiscal conservative.
Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school with Sarah.
They call her “Sarah Barracuda” because of her unbridled ambition and
predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly
stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made
point guard on the high school basketball team. When Sarah’s
mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and
experienced manager, ran for Mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her.
As Governor, she stepped outside of the box and put together of package
of legislation known as “AGIA” that forced the oil companies to march
to the beat of her drum.
Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife
Refuge. She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to
global warming. She campaigned “as a private citizen” against a state
initiaitive that would have either a) protected salmon streams from
pollution from mines, or b) tied up in the courts all mining in the
state (depending on who you listen to). She has pushed the State’s
lawsuit against the Dept. of the Interior’s decision to list polar
bears as threatened species.
McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President; Sarah will be a
heartbeat away from being President.
There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more
knowledgeable and experienced than she.
However, there’s a lot of people who have underestimated her and are
regretting it.
CLAIM VS FACT
•”Hockey mom”: true for a few years
•”PTA mom”: true years ago when her first-born was in elementary
school, not since
•”NRA supporter”: absolutely true
•social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, BUT vetoed a bill
that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships
(said she did this because it was unconsitutional).
•pro-creationism: mixed. Supports it, BUT did nothing as Governor to
promote it.
•”Pro-life”: mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down’s syndrome baby
BUT declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life
legislation
•”Experienced”: Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has
residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska.
No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on
supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city
administrator to run town of about 5,000.
•political maverick: not at all
•gutsy: absolutely!
•open & transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not good at
explaining actions.
•has a developed philosophy of public policy: no
•”a Greenie”: no. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores
and disconnected parking lots. Is pro-drilling off-shore and in ANWR.
•fiscal conservative: not by my definition!
•pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and park in a city
without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built
streets to early 20th century standards.
•pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on
residents
•pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of city
government in Wasilla’s history.
•pro-labor/pro-union. No. Just because her husband works union
doesn’t make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim
that she is pro-labor/pro-union.
September 2nd, 2008 at 6:13 pm
WOW!! HELLO !! WoW
I just caught Inside Edition and boy did they slip up. (?)
A reporter in Wasilla in front of the H.S. states that Bristol changed shools halfway through the year.. WAIT FOR IT…
WHEN SHE DISCOVERED SHE WAS PREGNANT…
My bet is tht she didn’t realize she was even pregnant for 3 to 4 months, until late 2007 (think of the family pic) and the Palins pulled her out then..
BUT.. today they said she was due in December…. Hmmmmm. That would make for the longest pregnancy ever known. Wouldn’t it?
Inside Edition written report of the aired piece:
http://www.insideedition.com/news.aspx?storyID=2067
September 2nd, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Why are we the only ones interested in the ethical question of who is the mother to this child? Who is going to care for him? Having a child with a birth defect I was overwhelmed and 24/7 on the needs of my baby. And yes I still looked pregnant months after his birth. The question here is not who is the mother, but why is there a question? Should Sarah truly be the mom she shouldn’t have a problem proving it. If she is the grandmother she should be answering some serious questions as to why she lied.
September 2nd, 2008 at 10:53 pm
I enjoyed your piece along the lines of ‘what should we think about McCain’s
judgment, a 72 year old man who doesn’t vet the next in line to the
presidency?’ I am paraphrasing … I have 2 thoughts:
(1) Thinking of Eagleton, a good man who was removed from McGovern’s 1972 ticket because it
came out he had had electroshock treatment for depression. McCain was in a cage and living on unairconditioned concrete floors in Guantanamo-Cuba-like tropical heat for 5.5 years, and has a 1,200 page medical and PSYCHIATRIC file. If the brain is in heat above 112 degrees for a long period of time it can cause permanent brain damage. He gets a $58,000 a year tax free disability pension yet CLAIMS HE IS FINE and not disabled. Is the disability pension for physical or mental disabilities? The press WON’T ASK. NO ONE in the press or Obama’s campaign will even bring these issues up. This is wrong. My point is McCAIN HIMSELF HAS NOT BEEN VETTED, and its false that his medical file has been made public. It has not. Reporters had a limited time with the files.
[2] I used to live in Alaska. Sarah Palin was once a member of the ultra-right-wing Alaskan Independence Party, which favored Alaska separating itself from the US and becoming an independent country. It also favored no environmental laws and said the federal land, including the national parks, national forests, etcetera in Alaska should be sold for very little to private interests, Very radical. Does she still believe in this extremist anti US, anti-environment fanaticism? The press should ask this. Palin recently flew from Texas when her water broke solely to make sure SHE HAD THE BABY IN ALASKA! Knowing these people, having lived there for many years, this to me indicates she may not have dropped her Alaskan nationalist views, because to these people THE US IS NOT THEIR COUNTRY, Alaska is. And the closest decent hospitals would have been in Ketchikan and Juneau, yet she made the much longer flight to Anchorage. Even crazier, once she got there, she drove past the 2 excellent big hospitals in Anchorage, a city of 270,000 people SO THE CHILD WOULD BE BORN IN THE HOSPITAL SHE WAS FAMILIAR WITH, I BELIEVE THE WASILLA HOSPITAL. She must be nuts.
September 3rd, 2008 at 12:21 am
So, have you seen Sarah in the Newsweek interview that was videotaped in March 2008? Here’s a link:
link.brightcove.com/…/bctid1761979149
Now, does her body positioning throughout the interview, which is slumped forward and legs crossed, strike you as a women who is 1 month from child birth? Heck, my wife would be leaning back, legs apart and rubbing her belly! This storyline just doesn’t smell right!
September 3rd, 2008 at 6:07 am
JUST READ THE INSIDER EDITION ARTICLE http://www.insideedition.com/news.aspx?storyID=2067
HMMMMM… interesting… Maybe Alaska has a different “school year”? or maybe Bristol is an elephant. 12 month pregnancy? Good catch.
September 3rd, 2008 at 8:17 am
Get a life people. The commenters on this blog are about the biggest bunch of losers I think I’ve ever come across on the Internet. And that’s real.
September 3rd, 2008 at 9:17 am
So…really, where is the birth certificate? Wouldn’t it have been much simpler to just produce a birth certificate?
September 3rd, 2008 at 10:04 am
Trig’s birth is listed as 4/18th- making Sept 1st 20 weeks (Trig is 4.5 months old when calculating age by months as we do once you’re born) and if Bristol was pregnant immediately she would be 20 weeks pregnant (weeks are how pregnancy is calculated) and some could claim “5 months” and she would be due mid Jan- They are “saying” she is due at the end of December but that could be fudged a little- people give birth “late”. Let’s say they are “fudging” especially using the terms “months” it is easy to do… she could be 18 weeks pregnant (conceived 2 weeks after giving birth to Trig) and be due at the end of January and they hope she is 2 weeks “early”-mid Jan and then they would say she was a few weeks “late” from her fake Dec due date. It happens especially if she is not educated in the fact that you CAN get pregnant even after you have just given birth….. it is a tight timeline but it is possible…
September 3rd, 2008 at 11:05 am
Trying to stop rumors about Sarah not being the mother of Trig by outing Bristol’s pregnancy seems very strange. There may be more to hide than just Bristol being the mother. I would like to see a DNA test to see who the mother AND THE FATHER of Trig might be. Being overly-religious is often used as a cover to hide something.
I dated a woman years ago, whose very PIOUS father made some very strange suggestive remarks to her while in my presence. I asked her if her father had ever tried to molest her or her younger sisters. She said that he had not. She stopped seeing me shortly after this.
Some years later, I called her to express my sympathy when I saw her fathers obituary in the paper. She told me that she had lied to me about her father. She said he had molested her repeatedly from time she was twelve. She felt she could come clean now that he was dead and that she had stopped seeing me because I was too close to the truth.
I have learned over the years, not to trust those who wave their bibles or their flags. Those who wave both really scare me.
September 3rd, 2008 at 11:37 am
All this speculation would end if Sarah Palin just produced a damn birth certificate. The fact that she didn’t back in April and she still hasn’t is the smokiest smoking gun…
September 3rd, 2008 at 12:00 pm
You should not consider this story over just because they have let it out that Bristol is pregnant (again?)There is no evidence yet tosay she is not Trig’s mama, and this new one will be her second. Who is the dad of both? And was she not under the age of consent when she had sex?
Why is this relevant? For every reason – but most vitally because of Sarah Palin’s views on abortion, ‘abstention’ and so on.
September 3rd, 2008 at 12:35 pm
nytexan you wimp!! here you have a great post investigating a very important matter and you just drop it all of the sudden and say everyone should just move on nothing to see here… why? becasue they say bristol is five months pregant. and you believe these liars? so naive. all logic points to bristol being the mother. sarah looked not at all pregnant while the pregnant looking daughter was sitting home from school. then the mother rushes to the small local hospital that could easily cover up who is the mother for the birth. fast forward to the present and bristol is either not pregnant or more likely she got pregnant again soon after so they could try to difuse any rumors by fudging the dates(it obv worked on the likes of you). this conspiracy may be too complicated for you quitter..
September 3rd, 2008 at 1:19 pm
This story is not Palin’s privacy because when you run for the ghiest two offices in the land, there is no privacy. This story is about the disconnect between Palin’s values and Palin’s lifestyle. This story is about the impact of her policies on her own family.
But what is most puzzling about this story is that people want this sort of model held up to American children. If Palin wants to live like the poor and destitute rednecks of America’s underbelly so be it. But I really don’t want her held up as a symbol of what of what America aspires to be.
We need to be able to compete on the global stage. If Palin became vice president of a 72 year old president, the likelihood of her becoming president would multiply exponentially. Recall the white teenagers in the MA area who made a pact to get pregnant, – not go to college or start a business or go into the peace or travel – but to get pregnant. There’s nothing PROLIFE about children having children. It just means instead of runing one child’s life, you ruin two.
I am prochoice BUT I believe ABORTIONS should be extremely rare. Abortion should never be used as a form of birth control. We need to teach our children to make good choices, rather than take bad chances. I feel sorry for Bristol. And yes, I believe both children are hers. Why do I believe this? Well if Bristol’s current pregnancy is about PROLIFE, why does Bristol have to get married AGAINST her wishes? Why would Palin want her daughter to marry someone who has posted on his myspace page that he doesn’t want “kids”? It seems to me Palin is a hypocrite! and a VERY, VERY POOR ROLE MODEL for WOMEN and MOTHERS. I think it’s obvious her daughter is an extremely poor role model for young women.
September 3rd, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Listen, where are the birth records? Why can’t Palin, the hospital, Palin’s Dr or anyone produce this? Why is this being covered up? If it is so transparent and we do live in America (although Palin wants to secede from the US) why is this such a secret? What gives?
Without proper documentation, we question if the Chinese gymnasts are legit! Without proper documention, we question whether foreign kids are truly of age to play in the Little League World Series.
This stage is even larger!
We as the general public are not “sexist”, not “angry leftist” (although this is frustrating!) or any other claissification the spin doctors are trying to drum up. We want the truth. We deserve the truth. Without proper documentation, we will continue to ask the questions in an effort to seek the truth!!!
Will someone please step forward and either provide the proper documention or let the cat out the bag?!?!?
September 3rd, 2008 at 4:51 pm
ryan:
Actually I am not a wimp. I never closed the comments, I would never do that. I have been reading everything and I still believe that the GOP will circle their hypocritical wagons around Palin because of this. I still believe it is important to discuss and vett.
I have continued to do research on this because I too want to see birth records, doctors and hospital officials talk about this.
I did say move on to other topics because there are many contradictions and lies being put out there by the GOP about her. However, when I said this was a non issues, I spoke in error.
If you noticed I did leave the “update” notice up. This post will not go away and hopefully I will have fresh information to update.
To be honest with you I had to step back for a bit and reconcile within myself that this is not going after Palins kid. That I won’t do. Unfortunately for Bristol, Sarah’s web makes that separation very difficult.
I hope that answers your claim.
Also I would like to thank all of you for the great discussion and your curious minds. It keeps my research going.
September 3rd, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Another thought. I have been speaking to mothers of all ages even down syndrome mom’s and for them this does not add up. From the water breaking to giving a speech and the long plane ride, on the material instinct, they are all appalled about dragging a special need infant around.
September 3rd, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Daryl:
Agreed. I am actually tired of the accusations of misogyny. Asking question does not make one sexist. The women and men who continue to make this claim are doing a bigger injustice to the progress of women then the perceived statement or behavior they are complaining about. A level playing filed is a freaking level playing filed. When women run for executive office they should be will and able to take the same punches and probes the men do.
September 3rd, 2008 at 6:10 pm
You liberals should be extremely pleased with Sarah Palin because she is everything feminism says women should be–except she is conservative. Sucks to be you. NObama, no way, no how.
September 3rd, 2008 at 8:15 pm
okienurse:
I hope you enjoy the world of McCain.
September 3rd, 2008 at 8:31 pm
fortunately, due to his age, we wouldnt have to for very long even if the repubs manage to steal another election. Of course that would, place the leadership of the free world squarely on the shoulders of Miss bullwinkle. Our enemies, the one’s who dont think women should own property, vote, show their faces, or walk alone on the streets, are really gonna listen to her when she scolds them with her hockey mom voice. Oh, and those ultra theocratic ideologists are really going to respect this woman with a knocked up daughter.
GOBAMA, all the way, we know how!
September 3rd, 2008 at 8:46 pm
“I will not tolerate racism on any level especially the use of the “N” word.”
Unfounded smears against a mother of five and her 17 year-old daughter, however, are fair game.
What a crock. This is why people don’t take liberals and their political correctness seriously. That, of course, and the fact that, yanno, it wasn’t even true.
What a lack of integrity. You’re sickening.
September 3rd, 2008 at 8:54 pm
Myrrh:
Should they make it to the white house, John should be very afraid.
BTW: The only people I know who use the phrase NObama are PUMAs
September 3rd, 2008 at 8:59 pm
Courtney:
If you read my comment (#100) you would see that it is not about Bristol. This subject, the post and comments are about the questions of Palin. Which I might add Alaskans have been asking long before we all heard of Sarah Palin.
There are no racist statements in the post nor in the comment section. So, your statement about my “One Rule” is a gross misrepresentation of the discussion and the post.
September 3rd, 2008 at 9:06 pm
If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. This is what is called a “discussion”. There were no “unfounded smears” against a mother of five or her 17 year old daughter. There was, and is, a serious question as to whether Sarah Palin, be she “she” or “he” is ready to step in for McCain in the event of his death were he to become our next president. I’d say the “lack of integrity” reared it’s ugly head 18 months ago when we were treated to B. HUSSEIN Obama, and racist remarks, and questions of his patriotism for “lack of flag pin”, or for one photo with him standing with his hands folded in front of him during a rendition of the anthem, or pictures of his family in Kenya replete with racist remarks, or questions about his Christianity, or shall I go on? Why is it permissible to question the credentials of one, and not another? That, my dear Courtney, not only lacks integrity, but intelligence.
September 3rd, 2008 at 9:19 pm
Myrrh:
Well said. Interesting that many smeared both Obama and Michell. Many attacked Cindy McCain, who by the way IS NOT running for an executive office, but we can not question, inquire,discuss or vett Palin,a candidate WHO IS running for executive office. Now that is hypocrisy at it’s highest.
September 3rd, 2008 at 9:48 pm
I have developed a renewed disdain for the republican party over the last 18-20 months. The level of hypocrisy has grown exponentially and become more brazen with each passing month. There is, at least for me, a gut level revulsion experienced every time I see McCain, or Guliani, or Romney, or, name just about any of the others who seemed to be “gunning” for Obama right out of the box. They can talk about how well Palin spoke tonight as a novice politician, but when it comes to Obama, it’s “nothing but soaring rhetoric and an inexperienced empty suit with good oratory skills”. Yes, I sometimes double over with laughter when I hear the republicans actually skewering themselves with their own attacks, yet seem completely oblivious to it. It’s that kind of insincerity that defines the right as a whole. We’ve listened to Rush Limbaugh impune Obama’s character ad nauseum, heard Ann Coulter’s shrill screeching about his “muslim” roots, Listened to Bill O’Riley tell us that Obama “wants to loose the war”, and hear how Hillary was “dissed”…….hunh? And now, NOW, they want to cry foul when the whole country wants to take a peek under the tent of this completely unknown? Talk about audacity……….I think Obama’s known all along.
Frankly, I dont even think McCain really feels this person can step in and be president if he were to die or become incapacitated. I think that this was a very obvious political chess move to draw the MSM’s spot light to him. He’s tired of Obama stealing all of the thunder so, on the heels of Obama’s VERY successful nomination convention, he was getting the lion’s share of the lime light. The nation was getting to know Obama, and, they are starting to like him. McCain had to set off a cherry bomb in the boy’s room to divert the nations’ attention away from that growing familiarity and comfort with Obama. Just my 2 cents.
September 3rd, 2008 at 10:46 pm
My issue is not so much about “attacking a 17 year old who has nothing to do with the candidacy”. My issue is with the possibility that Sarah Palin is lying and the extent that she can and will cover it up. So unfortunately a 17 year old is dragged into this but I agree that it really boils down to the mom exposing her to all of this. Even though she shouldn’t have to- why doesn’t she just prove Trig is hers (if he is) and get the media off of her teen daughter’s back! So possible lies and cover up are my main concern of this potential president (once McCain keels over).
We should not question her parenting skills or lack there of nor should we question her ability to “take care of” her family- pregnant teen daughter and special needs child- we would never do that to a man! Speaking of man- how come “daddy” wasn’t holding Trig- I guess it is a woman’s job in this family? as only the girls hold him and mostly Bristol- is that because she is the eldest girl or because she is the mom?
September 3rd, 2008 at 10:52 pm
In all fairness, “the first dude” of Alaska was holding the baby for the first part of her speech. He handed the babe over to “Piper” when Miss Bullwinkle started to talk about her husband. I suppose it was in anticipation of standing to wave to the crowd.
September 3rd, 2008 at 11:22 pm
The Mat-Su Regional Medical Center site is still up and running but shows that only two babies were born on April 18, a little boy and a little girl, neither named Trig nor Palin. I searched back to Dec. 1, 2007, (for the hell of it) and to April 20, but no Trig and no Palin. The Alaska State website has a link to all birth records in the state and while a search indicates that there is a record for a Trig Palin, it costs $39 to retrieve it. Palin is a pretty common name in Alaska as a search of the Wasilla website records shows. I figure there are plenty of people poring over this who would love to spend their $39 but since I am a middle aged spend thrift, it won’t be me.
September 3rd, 2008 at 11:37 pm
don’t mean to harp on but considering the possibility that none of this is true, the remaining fact that she would choose to endanger a special needs pregnancy by casually finishing a speech, subsequent meet and greet, travel the distance to the airport, fly for nearly 12 hours commercially with layover, then the distance to the hospital all for the sake of a political appearance is disturbing. Unless (pardon the conspiracy attack here) of course she needed an out of town appearance in her fat suit. As disturbing as choosing to follow a career path that would put your own daughter in an uncomfortable and embarrassing spotlight. I made parenthesized comment in jest, but just in case it proves true I can say I said it first. O would like to point out that in her public statement she said Bristol had decided to have the baby and they decided to support her. Admirable, but note the indication of choice.
September 4th, 2008 at 12:05 am
So, let me get this straight, we are not to question anything related to the family, yet, the McCain camp flies out the ‘f’n redneck’ hockey dude on their supporters dime, by the way, and have him & the entire Palin photo-op on the tarmac to greet McCain. Huh?
Hey, was tonight supposed to be a convention or a roast? If voters are swayed by cute sarcastic one liners to embarrass the opponent rather than focus on the issues and distinct themselves from the Bush/Cheney administration, then we are in trouble.
Another funny observation….We did have 2 Bush Presidents in the White House, right? How do you go from Ronald Reagan directly to McCain? Don’t you need to pass ‘GO’ before collecting $200? I’m sorry, but, tonight was a feeble effort to disguise their lack of a plan to get us out of the tremendous debt which is growing by $10 billion monthly, lift us out of the recession and regain millions of lost jobs, address rising healthcare costs, provide equal pay for equal work and rebuild our troop moral and standing in the world.
Shock and Awe may of worked in Iraq, but, Americans see through the smoke and mirrors and are not buying it and will no longer bow to the hate and fear machine!
Obama/Biden is the clear choice….unless you prefer a bunch of stand up comedians!
September 4th, 2008 at 12:17 am
Let’s wait and see how the VP debates go on October 2nd. Palin vs. Biden. Who would you put your money on?
Let’s watch the Presidential debates. McCain backpeddling for the Bushs and Obama calmly watching the implosion of the GOP. Oh wait, that already happened.
Vote Green Party!
September 4th, 2008 at 2:26 am
nytexan sorry i called you a wimp i was just so sorry to see you say this is a non issue and i am glad you have backed away from that. it most certainly is an issue i can see a big neocon cover up here. the announcement of the new pregnancy was way too “convenient” and i just dont want you to take them at their word, lying has never been a big deal for these people. don’t feel bad about investigating issues around bristol it’s not your fault you’re just looking for the truth they’re the ones that involved her by lying, conspiring and contradicting themselves
September 4th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
AMERICA WANTS PROOF OF TRIGS TRUE PARENTS!!!! WHY???? IF THIS IS A COVER UP FOR BRISTOL’S HOME BOUND IGNORANCE OF PROMISCUITY, THEN DOWN ABSOLUTE DECEIT RUNS THROUGH THE VEINS OF SARAH PALIN. DOES AMERICA WANT THAT IN THE WHITE HOUSE? I THINK NOT. WE NEED TRUTH ABOVE ALL ELSE. SHOW US A BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND BURY THIS SCENTED SCANDAL FOR GOOD.
September 4th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
Cathy:
Agreed. A birth certificate, not doctored or redacted, would end this.
September 4th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
how sad…bettcha if anyone demanded to see the birth certificates proving barack is the father of those two kids he totes around the world of liberal blogging would be totally in a fire! just because the palin’s are not throwing out home videos of the baby coming out of sarah palin’s private parts does not mean they have anything to hide. even then the liberals would claim it had been photoshopped. people do have their right to privacy and if anyone asked me to show them MY daughter’s birth certificate i would NOT do it, for any reason. this is stupid. obviously you are not going to vote for mccain/palin…just as i would NEVER vote for obama/biden. regardless if the baby did turn out to be the daughter’s, so what. at least it wasn’t aborted (aka killed) or left in a wooded area to fend for it’s self (aka killed, only a different way). if pro-life means “anti-choice” in the mind of liberals, “pro-choice” means “anti-life-if-it-happens-to-inconvience-me” to me. anyone want to take a shot at how many abortions are performed in matters of saving the mother’s life?
September 4th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
It matters less the possibility that Palin and her husband would adopt their grandchild which is admirable, than the fact that they were ashamed of it to the degree that they would lie about it for the sake of achieving a personal goal for her.
September 4th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
Re: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=117egpk&s=4
What is interesting to me is that Bristol does look pregnant in tis photo holding Trig and Sarah does not as anyone who has given birth will tell..women often “look pregnant” right after giving birth vs the flat Sarah tummy in the photo. Also, it is confirmed that Bristol is NOW approx 5 mos pregnant (how convenient when you do the math to squelch rumours) which would make her around the point of conception when Trig was born, not looking very pregnant as she does in the image. My bet is it is post belly pregnancy and she conceived shortly after she gave birth to Trig with this baby.
This is a “private family matter” but the ethical, legal issues surrounding this “rumour of pregnancy” (or not) is what is concerning to me…I do not particularly want a VP who lies esp at this level as to have one believe she is pregnant and giving birth to cover up her daughter’s pregnancy? if this is the case I do not believe that they are the “proud grandparents” they claim to be now with this pregnancy if they would cover the prior one up to this “over the top” extent. What else will she be willing to cover up within our government when there is a higher price or payback? Clearly, she is a hypocritical woman who not unlike other fundamentalists tries to hide their own dirty laundry while preaching the gospel on abortion etc to others.
September 4th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
“if anyone demanded to see the birth certificates proving barack is the father of those two kids he totes around, the world of liberal blogging would be totally in a fire!”
The difference is he isn’t lying and covering something up. If we found out he wasn’t the biological father- so what? he raises them as a father. IMO, this situation is completely different. If Sarah is not the mom then she would have lied to everyone and gone to quite the extreme’s to cover it up and if she is capable of that then she is capable of a lot more of that. If she is the mom then she made some extremely bad judgements and risk to herself and to Trig in getting to the hospital- it is just hard to believe her because it doesn’t make sense. When things don’t make sense- in the land of the free- we question and make our voice heard. You are correct in that most of us are not going to change our vote but last time I checked we still have the right to our opinions and free speech no matter how ugly and distasteful it is to someone else…. I personally would show a birth certificate especially if it got people off of my other child’s back. I have nothing to hide and there isn’t anything on a birth certificate that couldn’t be found on a “family tree” (geneaology). For pete’s sake they show financial records- what’s the big deal and it is expected when you choose to put yourself in the public eye…
September 4th, 2008 at 11:57 pm
For those of you bringing up Obama, you need to ask yourself why was Bristol having sex in a home where the Gov. Palin insisted on abstinence programs only? Why is that her values did not filter down to her children? I get the feeling that Palin’s religious conversion occurred AFTER her children’s values had been formed. And when I say conversion I mean she didn’t really start living her faith until maybe her children was just entering puberty. There are so many families that join non-denominational churches are surprised when their children don’t seem to fall in line. What these parents often don’t realize is you have to change your parenting style along with your new beliefs.
I think the Palin pregnancy story is important because part of leadership is modeling the way. Palin is in essence celebrating teenage pregnancy, teenage fatherhood, and rejecting the motion of young people making good choices based on good information. That’s very sad to me. I really don’t think that’s the sort of national leadership we need, epsecially for our children.
Finally, I do believe both children are Bristol’s. Think about it. What’s the differenmce in age between her next youngest child and Trig about seven or eight years? And who’s to say that Trig has Downs? Maybe he has fetal alcohol syndrome. Since Palin will not provide any evidence as to where he was born, it’s difficult to know the truth. And isn’t it amazing that not one doctor or nurse or hospital technician has come forward to say that “yes, I saw Govc. Palin waddling into the hospital in labor. NOT ONE!!
September 5th, 2008 at 6:44 am
“The difference is he isn’t lying and covering something up.” and you KNOW without certainty that sarah palin IS lying and covering something up? so that makes it ok to demand a birth certificate? yes we all have the right to free speech and opinion but that also comes with the assumption that we are going to not use that free speech to teardown others without truth. seriously, this is how silly this all looks…(totally exaggerated example here…) oh my goh, did you SEE michelle obama and the way she looked at bill clinton last week? oh wow, it totally looked like they had a ‘moment”. what if those kids of hers are not really hers and they are actually bill’s, fathered while he was president. she totally needs to give us all a birth certificate and dna to prove it or obama just needs to drop out of the race. (end example) see how totally stupid that sounds? but yet according to most everyone on this post, it would be absolutely ok to assume that michelle obama sleeps around and the obama kids could be bill clinton’s, john edwards, or whichever other democrat is now admitting to affairs they once denied. free speech, right? i can say that i reall believe all that but that would be crap. sarah palin should not HAVE to show proof of birth, dna, hospital records or any of this stuff because the whole IDEA that she s not the mother of the baby is totally stupid. in the mind of conspiracy theorists though i guess everything is possible. it would’t surprise me if people start posting that the baby is really produced from the frozen sperm of ronald reagan (hence all the bringing up about him at the convention.) man we are reallllllly in trouble.
September 5th, 2008 at 7:14 am
Hey Arnold…Did you notice a six month baby bump during the Convener’s Convention Feb 25th? You were standing right behind her in the picture taken! 10 days later she announced her ‘baby’ news’ on March 6th. Compare these 2 prego pictures taken 2 weeks apart. Poof, a huge baby bump! For Sarah to wear a fake belly to fool the public is beyond my comprehension. Is that town so small that you truly believe normal intelligent folk couldn’t figure that one out? The truth will come out by your citizens and it will now be very ugly for you. Fess up quick!
http://www.subnet.nga.org/centennial/Images/GovsPortraitNGA2008Large.jpg
http://www.bluebloggin.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/palin_preggers_400.jpg
September 5th, 2008 at 8:58 am
I’d like to point out that the first time the doubts about Sarah’s maternal status came up in Anchorage was while she was the week after her pregnancy announcement. Ther rumors were multi sourced ranging from Bristol’s high school to the Legislature. Before the bloggers even got a hold of it, it was printed in the London Times. So lay off the bloggers, they just throw out what they hear and leave it to the public to discern the truth.
September 5th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Clearly you did not read my post! Again my problem is not whether Trig is Sarah’s. I could care less if she is the mom or whether she decided to raise her grandkid- that would have no bearing on her job. I don’t know if she is lying or not and I don’t claim that I know she is lying (hence my post where I put the two scenarios of lying or not)- only Sarah, her family, Levi and their MD knows that… and we will learn in time because the truth always comes out. She has raised some questions (and that is all I am doing is questioning not accusing) about her truthfulness, her judgements and things around her seem to be suspect. Like did she really fire someone for not firng her ex-BIL? People have the right to question it instead of turning a blind eye and believing everything they are spoon fed. If we found out Barack’s kids were not his what would that have to do with his ability to be a leader? Just like Trig’s parentage is of no bearing to me other than the circumstances surrounding it. What I have a problem with is lies and cover up which you can only find out by questioning and proof. Look at Bill Clinton-the problem wasn’t so much that he had an affair- what everyone cared about and almost impeached him for is that he LIED about it and tried to cover it up. How long did it take for the truth to come out on that one? Would it have come out if no one questioned it, pressured him and if they dropped it? And how did everyone know he was lying from the beginning? because his story didn’t add up! What did an affair really have to do with the way he ran the country? nothing. Was it anyone’s business or was it a personal and private matter? You can’t have it both ways- to protect you when you want it to. The only reason I would think you might as well show the birth certificate is that I personally would care more about protecting my teen daughter than I would care about my “rights” to privacy. Of course, I am sure you need to stop the intrusion at some point and only each person can decide when that is for themselves.
“assumption that we are going to not use that free speech to teardown others without truth”- I don’t agree with this statement- “free speech” usually does hurt someone else and isn’t the truth to someone- there is always someone who doesn’t agree with another’s opinion. Look at the KKK and how they march on MLK day- that is not OK with me and they constantly tell lies IMO and they are completely hurtful but they believe what they are saying as truths and they are allowed to do this under free speech. We allow differences in opinions and allow people to speak their minds so that we do not live in a dictatorship. No one has every view correct to everyone and who is anyone to say to someone else that they are wrong to speak their mind even if it is ridiculous, silly, ugly, wrong or hurtful in someone else’s opinion?
September 5th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
a couple things…i was not implying that if barack’s kids turned out not to be his that it would affect his ability to lead, i was trying to show that it was a ridiculously off the wall thing to even bring up about someone and that no matter who you are, it shouldn’t be the main thing in the news. also, for many many people that i know and from my memory of that part of history, the fact that bill clinto HAD the affair in the first place WAS much of the problem because it was something that happened “on the clock”. while some people may not consider adultry and infidility to be a major problem, i do. so aside from the lying to all of america, the affair itself is something that he did and he chose to do. i really hope this whole palin-baby thing blows over really soon because it is not fair to the kids and the poor little baby to have their names destroyed like this. especially that little boy who is already goingto have a hard life in terms of his disibility. now to have this stigma placed on him of “poor kid, who is your mom?!”, how sad. and lastly, i have to say in regards to the free speech bit, ““free speech” usually does hurt someone else and isn’t the truth to someone”…i am of th belief that their is only one truth, whatever that truth may be. there will always be many opinions (that is the good thing, and sometimes bad, about the good ole USA!) but there is only one truth. just because someone doesn’t like what that truth is doesn’t give them the power to force their opinion as the truth. i never came on here to tell anyone to stop saying this garbage. i simply came on here to express my rights to free speech just like everyone else can. and part of my right of free speech is being able to say that what the majority of people are doing on here is concocting hateful, jealous, hideous lies about a family who hasn’t done a thing to anyone. fact, since sarah palin has joined the ticket the conservative republican base has became energized and fired up in a way that no one imagined. fact, in a new report it is shown that sarah palin is more popular than john mccain, obama, and biden all three! the dems thought this race was in the bag and out the door about a month or so ago…not any longer!
September 5th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
reading over that again i wanted to reitterate this point…just because a person believes something to be true does not make it so.
September 5th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
What a happy family picture!
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1139120/Levi-Kissing-Precious-Baby-Trig-Palin-while-Bristol-Palin-Holds-Him
Hmmmm…
September 5th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
ashley:
Your point is well taken and your freedom of speech is always honored and respected at my blog.
Before you crown Sarah Palin the next Mother Teresa, I suggest you do some serious reading on where she stand on the issues. Also community organizers,which include pastors and republicans, are lining up against her. They are more than a little pissed.
Don’t be so fast to jump on this band wagon. We had also most 2 years of looking over all the democrats and all the republican candidates and now we have 2 months to figure Palin out. What’s wrong with that picture? If you decide to vote for McCain and Palin because you like their platform, that’s your right but please don’t vote for them just because a female is on the ticket.
BTW:The only people that “make it so” are Captain Kirk and Captain Pichard.
September 5th, 2008 at 11:18 pm
I thought liberals were supposed to be soooo compassionate. How about a little compassion for Sarah and Bristol. If you knew what life is like in Alaska you would understand why Sarah had to say that Trig was her baby. Okay, so it’s coming out now that she’s been chosen to be the Vice President but have a little heart for pete’s sake. Wouldn’t you have tried to protect your daughter if you were in her place? Sarah has been a damn good governor for us and she’ll be just as good a Vice President, and hopefully President, for the U.S. Just because Bristol was tempted by Satan doesn’t mean that Sarah didn’t offer the proper teachings of the Bible to her daughter. We are all sinners and, as Jesus said, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Good bless Sarah and Bristol and God bless America.
September 5th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
As a liberal I believe that families should be off limits. But for conservatives who have for the last few decades been in everyones bedrooms and looking down their noses at every sexual indiscretion and child gone bad on the left to suddenly think they can spin on a dime and declare a moratorium …. Sorry, it’s not your call. Fortunately for you most liberals have always been of a forgiving mind on this but just the same I hope you can understand our need to point out the obvious even if you don’t want to deal with it.
September 6th, 2008 at 6:11 am
Dear HappyM
IMO Sarah Palin would not have lied to protect her daughter, but to protect her own image!! I am so sickened and sad for Bristol having such a parent. If Trig is Sarah’s, then why is Bristol caring for him like she is the parent? She SUPPOSEDLY has enough problems of her own! Sick Sick Sick Sickos! Gross! I have compassion for Bristol .. not a drop for Sarah!
September 6th, 2008 at 6:53 am
I very rarely get involved in blogs. I have been following this story since it broke over a week ago. I have heard the arguments explaining why this new baby can’t be Bristol’s because she appears to be pregnant now. Trig was supposedly born on 4/18/2008. Today’s date is 9/6/2008. Why would it be impossible for her to have a baby in April, and be impregnated again by early September? It happens all the time. I have read reports that say that Bristol’s classmates SAW her pregnant during the time she was absent from school for the “mono” excuse, and if it were all a misunderstanding, why are official documents not being produced, or, at the least, covered up?
September 6th, 2008 at 7:25 am
HappyM:
You missed the whole point of the article. IF you read the my post you could not miss this point…
Why does it matter?
* Sarah Palin is pro-life;
* Sarah Palin is an avid proponent of abstinence only education.
With that said, after 8+ years of GOP shoving their family values on everyone, we once again see the hypocrisy.
Regarding Palin being a good mayor and governor, that’s probable true I don’t live in Alaska or Wailla to answer that honestly. However, there are many Alaskans who do not believe that. Also, Palin’s record contradicts what she is currently saying.
September 6th, 2008 at 7:29 am
monkeyb:
I believe everyone has compassion for Bristol and are disgusted with Sarah.
September 6th, 2008 at 7:33 am
wcummin3:
Thanks for deciding to joint this conversation.
You are correct with your thoughts about someone being able to be pregnant again. Considering Republicans do not believe in science, I suppose the Republican argument that Bristol is currently pregnant so she could not have given birth is true.
September 6th, 2008 at 7:56 am
thanks for your respect to free speech…i will be ending my posts here soon and i appreciate the oppurtunity to voice my opinions on here as well as the next person. i just want to end on a note to clarify something…my reason for supporting the mccain/palin ticket. first, i would NEVER vote for her just because she is a woman. i am not saying this wont happen with other voters but it is not something i agree with at all. just as i abhore hearing people -and i DO know people who – are voting for obama simply because he is black. my main reason for voting for any person is their stance on abortion. if as a country we do not fight to protect the tiniest, most helpless of our people, how can it be said that we are a respectable people? when there are groups out there that fight for animal rights’ and try to abolish the death penalty but disregard the lie of a human baby by calling it a “choice”, i have a real problem. why is the death penalty “cruel and unusual punshment” but when it happpens to a baby instead of a prisoner, it is ok? once a woman becomes pregnant it is no longer HER body that is involved because there is now a body growing inside of her. a body who never asked to be born and sure doesn’t ask to be killed. there are so many people ready and willing to adopt these babies. if the pegnant woman could unselfishly give up 9 months of her time (that is a miniscule amount of time, in reality) then a baby could be spared death and given the chance to live life…possible finding cures for cancer or aids or something else wonderful. so that is the majority of reasons why i will be supporting mccain/palin.
September 6th, 2008 at 9:10 am
Needed/need a place to vent. Sorry if the following is redundant as this thread is so long I don’t have time to read it all. I have waited 8 LONG years, holding some small amount of hope that a new president might change things, and now this “ticket” is thrust upon me, yes ME. I am an American and I care about my country. I am so sick of the lies! Either Sarah Palin is lying or she is abusing her children. Most likely both. As a young girl, due to unfortunate circumstances, I was a caregiver to my younger siblings. My youth was cut short. And I rebelled, just like Bristol. It was only luck that I did not end up in her same situation. So I am really, really mad. I’m mad at being lied to. I’m mad about being disappointed after waiting so long, and I’m tired of the lies. I’m scared for our country. Utterly disgusted. And IMO Bristol is not pregnant now, it’s a big lie to cover the lie Sarah told back before she was considered for the VP slot. Bristol is heavy now because she had a baby and is suffering all the horrible feelings and pressure that she is facing right now. Almost can’t take it anymore!
September 6th, 2008 at 9:31 am
Ashley:
On thought before you go. Regarding your statement “human baby by calling it a “choice”, i have a real problem”
How does that fit in with Sarah Palin’s statement about Bristol’s pregnancy
“We’re proud of Bristol’s decision to have her baby and even prouder to become grandparents”
The word “decision” means that Bristol made a choice. I find that choice of words stunning.
September 6th, 2008 at 10:05 am
monkeyb:
We have all waited for 8 long years to move in a different direction. As each day passes and new information comes out of Alaska, it seems like we will have 4 more years of the same. McCain and his pejoratives are trying to cover-up Troopergate. Is that what Palin and McCain mean by changing Washington?
Our country is facing huge issues in this election and I do not believe that McCain or Palin can be trusted.
September 6th, 2008 at 11:26 am
nytexan:
Yes, I know it is not just me who is offended. But if you believe the main-stream media, there are folks out there who seem to like the way things in this country have been and still are going. So it’s not “all” of us either. I can’t believe these people with values .. this liar and child abuser and John McCain who dumped his crippled first wife so he could play the field. Didn’t Cindy McCain say he was loyal? I know these aren’t the “issues”, but when they speak “issues” I don’t believe a word they say either. It’s all fluff. Anyway, it’s going to be a tough ride here. thx for ur comments.
September 6th, 2008 at 11:45 am
monkeyb:
We have to believe that there are rational republicans out there. What we saw at the convention are died in the wool Republicans. I don’t believe they reflect the beliefs or feeling of all republicans.
The main stream media has many faults one being staying on one topic for one week and never expanding the discussion beyond the “breaking news” paragraph. If you are speaking of Fox, O’Reily and Limbaugh, they can’t be trusted with any information. They have been discredited too many times.
Friends and colleagues of mine who are republicans tell me for them these guys are entertainment and not journalist. I can only hope that other republicans believe this way.
September 6th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
i don’t see why palin’s choice of words is so stunning. she said bristol decided to have her baby, meaning that she decided to let her baby live instead of having an abortion and killing it. bristol’s “decision” to keep her baby means that she decided to give her baby life…because that is what pro-life people do. i don’t really know why it seems so stunning. sorry:(
September 6th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
ashley:
Interesting perspective and parsing of words. A decision to have the baby is not a choice but a decision. So in the alternative a choice is not a decision.
September 6th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
It is the hypocricy stupid.
It is OK for someone close to Sarah Palin to decide/choose to have a baby, but she wants to outlaw anyone else from being able to decide/choose. It is the hypocricy stupid.
Keep zealots away from power.
September 6th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
ok, well wether you decide to have your baby or chose to have your baby, it doesn’t matter the wording. the truth is, the opposite decision or choice is death. it doesn’t matter what you call it when you decide to stay pregnant…saying that you “decided” to have the baby or “chose” to keep the baby, the thing that matters is that you picked LIFE. it is funny how this has turned into a debate about the wording of words. and by the way mike, thanks for calling me stupid. i wouldn’t expect anthing more from you. real cool, guy. at least, being from ohio myself i can say that you are in the minority in terms of maturity. thank God. back to the point though…being pro-life does not mean that you hate women and daughters and you want to deny them the right to “decide what is best for their bodies”. because the baby inside is not part of the woman’s body. being pro-life means that you unconditionally support the LIFE of the baby that was created by accident, carelessness, or even saddly, rape. because no matter how tiny that little baby starts out to be, it is a person too and nobody has the right to infringe on that tiny little person’s right to live. and last time i checked, i thought liberals were supposed to be the ones who were for everyone’s rights? how come they seem to care more about trivial rights like the right for birds to fly around without being “voyered” by humans or are so adamant to oppose the death penalty but they cannot stand up for unborn babies? if abstinence only doesn’t work for you, get on the condom-passing train and do something to stop these girls from getting pregnant. i personally know so many girls who have abortions simply because it is the convenient way to “handle” the situation. the one thing that unites every single one of us here on earth is that we all started out as the tiniest of babies, growing in our mother’s womb. you would think that we would all stand up and fight together to make sure that everyone has the right to be born. that’s all…
September 6th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
Michael from Ohio:
We get the hypocrisy part and are in full agreement. For me zealots of any kind need to be kept out of power.
September 6th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Ashley:
Ok I’ll leave you along on the words.
Your statement:
“i thought liberals were supposed to be the ones who were for everyone’s rights”
We do, which is why we believe choices and decisions are a personal matter and not the governments or religions. Now, I will say that since I have never been in this situation so I can not tell someone who is what they should do.
September 6th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Ashley:
I was just going to ignore this topic, but … different human beings believe different things. Some humans believe that every life is “sacred.” Some humans believe we are just humans. Because you are of the first group, you think everything is a life even before it is born and that it is God’s will and creation. That is your belief and fine. But some people put logic and science before unproven speculation and made-up stories handed down by people who lived before us. Personally, I don’t believe humans are special or sacred above all things. We live and die like other animals. And mothers when faced with a choice, who cannot in good conscious bring a child into their world at a particular time, knowing they are not capable of being a parent, will naturally choose to abort. It is a way of protecting their tiny little would-be human from having a rotton life. I’m sorry if it is unpleasant to you personally because of your belief in being sacred or special, but it is nature and it will and does happen. Period the end.
September 6th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
monkeyb:
Well said. I fully agree.
September 6th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
nytexan:
Sadly, the only real Republican I know well enough to talk politics, is enthralled with Palin. He wishes she were running for president instead of McCain. He is fed a daily diet of Fox news and listens to Rush Limbaugh. He doesn’t really see them as entertainment, but reality. Very sad. We are doomed.
September 6th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
monkeyb:
I’ll have my republicans call your republicans and knock some sense into them. Actually I think the love fest with Palin will wear off when thinking people look at her record or lack there of.
In Michigan, people were interested in her until they met her and heard her speak. A few women interviewed were not impressed.
September 6th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
The statement that Bristol Palin is 5 months pregnant does NOT mean that she couldn’t be Triggs mom. Fist of all, how do we know that she truley is 2, 3 or 5 months pregnant? April to September is 5 months! A woman can get pregnant shortly after giving birth if she has unprotected sex. Okay you men, wise up. There are many suspicious facts surrounding Mom Palins pregnancy, as listed above. There are so many, that I have to believe this is either Bristol Palins second pregnancy or she is faking it, and will soon have a miscarriage.
September 6th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
fuck yo shit:
While you may have had something to say, you are the second person in the history of BlueBloggin to violate my “One Rule.” You have been DELETED!
Something you should not be proud of.
September 6th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
Debbie:
Given the fact that scandals and skeletons that are discovered daily on Palin, I’m not even sure Sarah Palin is her real name.
WE need to look at Palin very carefully we only have 10 weeks until the election.
September 6th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
I think the press should track down the Family practioner who delivered the baby, …if they can find her. She seems to have disappeared. In addition, they should look at the hospital baby registry web site and see what other doctors delivered babies that night, and interview them. As well as, the parents posted who had babies on April 17/18th. The hospital should be contacted regarding -when it is found, as it is currently missing. Finally, the local kids know what happened, and someone should talk if the money is right………
This is a critical election for our country, and a potential VP candidate who would be cought up in such a scandal is scary. RUN!!!!!!!!!!
September 6th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
oh man…well i didn’t think i was going to change any minds. this world is falling apart the more liberal it gets. and while many may think i am wrong in my religious beliefs, well, i guess that is your opinion. i pray for the palins and i will now be praying for everyone i have encountered here. there is a right and a wrong and there are consequences for actions. abortion is murder and while i do believe that if someone who had an abortion honestly repented and asked for forgiveness, i don’t think it is something that people should legally be allowed to do. would it be fair if i decided that my 8 year old was getting too inconvenient and this world was getting to tough to live in so i should just go ahead and kill him to spare him a bad life? i would absolutely be jailed right away. i just don’t see how killing an unborn baby is any different. if you think it should be ok for mothers to abort their babies because they might not be very good parents or the world might not be a good place to live, would you say it is fair to just give all inmates with life sentences some lethal injection to go ahead and put them out of their misery? hey, then we wouldn’t have to support them in jail with tax-payers money. you can call me a hypocrite all you want but until liberals stand up for baby’s rights just as they do animals (who are lesser beings than humans), gay and lesbian people, people of ethnic backgrounds, and any other cause they are so adamant about, i believe the hypocrite is you.
“We do, which is why we believe choices and decisions are a personal matter and not the governments or religions.” by saying this you are essentially saying that if someone decided they didn’t like you, they could just kill you and face no consequences because there should be no law against it. after all, you are just a human who isn’t sacred or special in any way, right?
you guys are killing me…
September 6th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
Dear Ashley,
How many crack addicted-fetal alcohol syndrome babies can we sign you up to adopt? Have you ever seen one of these children? There are no adoring would-be parents lined up and clamoring to take them home? I think that every time you mention the word “kill” in relation to abortion, you should sign up to adopt one of these poor unfortunate babies. Sorry to be so rough, but I am a nurse, and I see these tiny beings who should’ve never been conceived. Those who are born to girls so young, that have no idea how to take care of themselves much less a helpless human being or those born with such horrific birth defects that what lives they have are filled with pain and suffering. We treat our animals better and with more compassion than we do some of these “tiniest among us”. And while we’re talking “pro-life”, what about the lives of women who may be in jeopardy because of a dangerously high risk pregnancy? There are situations such as congenital brain aneurysm in young women wherein the increased blood volume and higher blood pressure puts them AND the fetus in jeopardy. There are those who think that abortion even in those cases to save the life of the mother is wrong. I cannot for the life of me understand how someone can stand in judgment of someone else’s decision. It also galls me that the very people who demand that these innocent lives be brought forth into the world begrudge the social programs implemented to help them out. You want them to get here safely, but once they’re here, you don’t want a damn thing to do with feeding them, clothing them, or educating them. Should these “babies” be conceived in the first place, perhaps not, but as we can obviously see from the example set forth by the Palin family, abstinence only programs do not work. I dont know, but I guessing that 17 year old Bristol is wishing she’d gotten that “birds and bees” talk from mom a little sooner. Get off your high horse and put your money where your mouth is. If you’re so all fired up about bringing these lives into the world, then, by all means, ADOPT, ADOPT,ADOPT. Do your fair share, sign up to adopt as many as you can. Perhaps you have, if so, good for you, that means you walk the walk. Until then, you just talk the talk like most on the pro-life side of the street.
September 6th, 2008 at 11:04 pm
I think the point is- if you are Pro-life do you really have a “choice” or “decision” on having a baby once you are pregnant? A “choice” would imply that you were able to look at the initial two options and pick one over another: “life” or abortion. Pro-life only gives you one intial option ie have the baby and then you could later choose to either keep it or adopt it out etc. If pro-lifers (Sarah Palin) had their way then Bristol should not have to intially choose/decide to have the baby she should have just been having it- she would not be “choosing” or picking life it would just be- end of story. You don’t make a choice when you only have one way to go- you just go that way. So to me it really isn’t just semantics.
September 6th, 2008 at 11:35 pm
to the nurse…sorry your job is so horrible and that you have to see those poor suffering babies. going into the medical feild though you must have known there would be stuff like that that you would encounter. it is a terrible tragidy that some babies do suffer in this manor. but by giving the moms the “free pass” of abortion, you may never get them to stop their desrtuctive behavior. if you would have read my post a couple times ago you would have seen that i am not only for abstinence only programs. while my beliefs do teach that you should be married before you go spreading your legs, i understand that not everyone is brought up with those beliefs or not every teenager is willing to take the advise of a grown-up and therefore may not do what is right. so wrap it up, pop a pill, get a shot of depro or whatever. there are too many things you can do to not get pregnant in the first place to resort to killing a baby because it may inconvience you. as for the poor babies born to these crack mothers, what exactly happens to the moms? are they arrested for this? last time i checked crack was illegal. what happens to parents who give teenagers alcohol at parties? what happens to parents who give these teenagers alcohol and those teenagers drive drunk and kill someone? pretty sure the parents get charged. hopefully the moms of these little babies are being properly punished. sorry you think it is being judgemental to think that there should be consequences for bad actions. i thought that was how the world kept itself in check. and pardon me but you never asked me what i feel about socal programs before you just assumed that i am against them. we all know what happens when you assume though. i do think social programs are good when they are not abused. social programs should be a hand-up, not a hand-out. these crack moms need to be rehabilitated (gasp…a social program?!) and taught how to take care of their babies themselves. then the moms would be drug free and the babies wouldn’t need me to adopt them because their mother -the one responsible for them to begin with, would now be able to properly take care of them. sounds like we have more problems than just abortion to deal with in this country…and as for adopting these babies, i have children of my own, thanks. you are the one who is a nurse so you must be financially able to care for these infants and heck, you even know all about the medical care they need. problem solved. so, missy on your high horse, i will get in line behind you.
September 7th, 2008 at 12:55 am
Ashley,
And what happens to the rapist who impregnates a 14 year old in violent act of rage and control? He goes to jail, and pays a debt to society? Perhaps, if caught. But is he forced to contribute to the “life” he’s created? No. The pregnant victim is forced to handle that consequence for the rest of her life. Of course I knew that part of my job would be “witnessing” terrible suffering, it’s the reason I chose this vocation. I also knew that it would involve tending to, caring for, and ending terrible suffering for many. The benefits far outweigh the risks. I also have children of my own, 4. All of whom have managed to reach adulthood without being placed in the position of having to make such a difficult decision. But, I have to say that if one of my daughters found herself in the position of having to choose her life over that of the fetus growing inside of her, I’d sure encourage her to choose to save her own life. If a dangerous high risk pregnancy threatened her life, and that of my grandchild, I’d like my daughter to have the “choice” to end that pregnancy in the hopes that she may be able to conceive again in the future and perhaps gestate a healthy life to fruition. The problem with saying that ALL abortion is wrong in any scenario, is short sighted at best. Sometimes choosing abortion IS choosing life. To answer your question about what happens to the moms of the crack addicted babies, they go to jail and in some cases her parental rights are revoked and the child gets turned over to the state. They usually get farmed out to foster families who in some cases are only in it for the money and are ill equipped to take care of a child who enters with world with an addiction and often times developmental problems. As far as being “financially able to care for these children”, you must be under the impression that the nursing profession pays better than it does. (I really had a good chuckle over that one). I am not the one who thinks that the option for abortion should be taken off the table, as well as the fact that I already do care for these pitiful babies and their pitiful mothers, I get a pass on the adoption challenge. And it is as I suspected……..talking the talk.
September 7th, 2008 at 1:04 am
Ashley,
what a pathetic attempt to answer to that nurse…
If you really think that social programs can solve everything and make all mothers and babies happy, advocate for those!!! And when they are up and running, with plenty of resources to count on, then, and only then, we can start to think about reducing abortions. (I work for one of those, by the way, assisting mothers struggling with their children everyday).
But, interestingly enough, many who are pro choice are also fiscal conservative who believe social programs should survive somehow, but not with money from taxpayers. Well, that’s not going to work that well.
Bottom line, either adopt (children are never too many in your world, right?) or shut up about the pro life b.s.
September 7th, 2008 at 7:49 am
Ashley, don’t waste your time praying for me. I’ve already committed the unforgivable sin of denying the holy spirit. I already made my reservation in hell with the devil so I could sin all I want with a clear “conscience”. Thanks for your thought though.
nytexan, I hope you are right about Palin losing her appeal. I wish somebody could knock some sense into this person …
re Bristol: I was thinkin there would be proof of a lie come December January when Bristol doesn’t actually have a baby, but that was dashed when I realized they will just publish a picture of her with child in the hospital and change the date stamp to the current date (instead of April 18). And then make the new baby disappear by claiming it was given up for adoption and the details of which have to be kept private.
Will somebody please show me a picture of Trig being loved by his supposed mom Sarah? Can I see her in a motherly way with him? Please! I need to be assured she loves her children.
Thanks nytexan for allowing us all to chat on your blog.
September 7th, 2008 at 8:31 am
one, i never claimed that social programs solve everything. i know far too many people who get pregnant simply to get more welfare money or food stamps so there are problems in that system that definately need to be fixed. i don’t know how to fix every problem and i never claimed to. i am just a person who tried to offer solutions to problems. and no matter how you try to justify it, killing babies is a problem. crack addicted teenage “womb/sperm donors” are a problem. men who get off by raping helpless 14 year old somethings are definately a problem. the few and far between times when a pregnancy may affect the life of the pregnant mother is a problem. all i ever started out trying to say is that killing babies is not the answer to any of these problems. it is just sad that people actually justify it. obviously there will be problems in some of the cases (whether in the baby or the mother) but in the MAJORITY of cases the babies and mothers would turn out to be perfectly healthy. it is just a matter of personal responsibility that is at stake and those people want the convenience of getting rid of the baby. go to any hospital around the country and you will find very sick, sometimes uncurable people. should we just give them a bullet to end their terrible suffering and financial burden? what if you and your young child were trapped in a burning building and had only one gas mask to breathe clean air. it would be hours before you would be rescued and you knew that only one of you would have enough oxygen to survive. would you say sorry kid, it’s going to be me, or would you give your kid the oxygen and thereore, life? yes life is hard and sometimes we are faced with tough (here’s that word again) choices. but it is how we handle the choices that make or break us. say a girl is raped and happens to get pregnant from it (even though the it happens very rarely according to every site i have checked). that girl’s body has been invaded and she will carry that trauma with her the rest of her life. should she in turn kill the baby that was innocently created as a result? do two wrongs make a right? i guess for some people they do. the thing about life is that there are always choices. God gave us all free-will (yes, i said the “g” word. sue me.) and it is up to us to do what we are taught is right. we do know what things are right and what things are not because there are guidelines laid out for us to use (bible). seems to me that if we followed the following things our world would be a heck of a better place: do not kill, do not steal, do not commit adultry, honor your father and mother, don’t lie, and treat others how you would like them to treat you. even if you don’t believe in God or the bible, are those rules still things that you could believe in? they seem like pretty simple rules that would make for a better world. anyone disagree? and while i know that we need more than just these rules to run a world, i believe that if we begin with these basic principles we could get this world back on track.
September 7th, 2008 at 9:01 am
All McCandy has t do is release the medical records.
Then, the world will know whether Trig is McCandy’s son, Bristol’s son, whether Todd is the father, Levi is the father of, whether McCandy’s former lover, Todd’s business partner is the father.
Is this asking too much from the Juneau Barbie???
September 7th, 2008 at 9:06 am
Christopher:
While your suggestion is reasonable, hard evidence and proof is outside the GOP thought process.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:31 am
I wish people would wake up and realize this is REAL life and not a tv show…..Palin is one of US ….An honest, upright human being, soooooo much amiss in our government….snap to it and get on this bus….our future is looking brighter finally!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:46 am
pk tk,
The point is we do not know Sarah Palin and how do you know she is honest? There are a lot of questions right now that point to the conclusion that she is dishonest. So what is wrong with us wanting to know the truth? And if the truth is what they have told us, we’ll all be happy and shut up about her children. Honesty is an unknown at this time. Prove to me she is honest!
September 7th, 2008 at 10:49 am
So now the burden of proof is on honesty???
September 7th, 2008 at 11:32 am
The “burden of proof on honesty” has been on Obama for at least 20 months now. Everything from his origins, his faith, his policy positions, his family, his personal finances, his experiences, have been evaluated under the public microscope day in and day out for almost 2 years now. Why should Palin not be “vetted” by public scrutiny the same way. Just like Obama 20 months ago, Palin, a virtual unknown, has not painted us a clear picture of her or her positions with one nomination speech. As far as Palin is concerned, we are all still looking through a glass darkly. The public has every right to verbalize their concerns about her resume, just like they did with Obama. You’re asking us to take Ms. Palin at face value from the get-go just because she says so? I find that double standard expectation absurd.
September 7th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
pk tk:
Are kidding me! The question of honest came up with every GOP and democratic candidate during the primaries, which I might add lasted 18 months. Candidates were questioned about their voting record their religious beliefs, both wars, etc. and they were called on the carpet for not being truthfull or completley honest!
We have 10 weeks until the presidential election and you don’t think Palin should answer anything? Nor do you think honesty plays a role. McCain has been vetted for 26+ years but his veep who could be president can’t be vetted. Have you lost your mind?
September 7th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Has anyone seen Desperate Housewives and what Bree did to cover up her daughters pregnany? I had mono and only missed school for 5 weeks not 5 months. Its possible she could be pregnant again, the month after birth a woman is really fertile.
September 7th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
concerned citizen
I’ve never watched Desperate Housewives but I keep hearing this connection. Think Palin got her story from the show? Could be a copyright infringement.
September 7th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
…the daughter is pregnant now…you think she could have 2 babies in one year??
September 7th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
Anything is possible. I would like proof that Sarah is the mother of Trig. But then again who am I demanding to see proof. I’ve read many blogs and viewed plenty of pictures that say different. The picture above that shows her pregnant during an interview, We really don’t know when that was taken. That could have been taken when she was pregnant with her youngest daughter, The only ones who really know is the Photographer and the two other people in the picture with her. Something about the whole story I don’t trust. Maybe Sarah is the mother and there is proof. Just like the chinese gymnast were all 16 years old.
September 7th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
I agree Jay…but isnt it weird all the hoopla over this?? It shows me that there will be no end to the mudslinging….to the contrary, it is just beginning…
September 7th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
Just remember, the mud slinging is not from Obamas camp in regards to this matter. He announced that family is off limits and would fire any staff member who brought it up. She was not veeped properly by McCain, so the press have to step in. We’re looking at someone who could be president – I don’t know about you but where I work, you go through extensive background check before you are granted the job. I would expect a very serious, intense background check for anyone running for VP. If she were lying, that would make her vulnerable to black mail.
September 7th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
Debbie:
You are so correct on the background checks, my employer does a several step check which takes 6 months to one year check. I would think since the executive branch has access to highly sensitive information the check should be just as long. That is if one is done. Blackmail for employers is a very serious concern.
September 7th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Did anyone see the DrudgeReport teaser?
“NEWSPAPER PREPARES TO FRONT DETAILED STORY ON PALIN BABY, NEWSROOM SOURCES TELL DRUDGE . . . . DEVELOPING” http://www.drudgereport.com/
September 7th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
dont waste so much time thinking of the ‘vetting’.. you guys arent even voting republican(it sounds like) so why would you even care? I would think you’d like that…..besides, Palin has been on Mccains short list since June, what more do you want?..
September 7th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
[...] Todd and Re-Todd Anyway, for the record, here’s the official line we’ll ignore: I have said before and I will repeat again: People’s families are off limits,” Obama said. “And people’s children are especially off-limits. This shouldn’t be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin’s performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. So I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. — Politico [...]
September 8th, 2008 at 5:27 am
What a load of crap! I went to the drudgereport and did not see the story mentioned above, but there was a link to a article with a picture of Palin holding the baby. What struck me was the article itself wherein it said this:
“Most had learned that Palin was pregnant only a few weeks before. Struggling to accept that her child would be born with Down syndrome and fearful of public criticism of a governor’s pregnancy, Palin had concealed the news that she was expecting even from her parents and children until her third trimester.”
That is just B.S. and just enough crap to cause me to have serious questions. How could you keep something like that from your own parents? A ridiculous lie!
I don’t see how you can make this topic off limits! If indeed she is lying it is clearly relevant to her character. I don’t want a LIAR as my vice president.
And if she is telling the truth and Trig is her son, I want to know she cares for HIM. Because if she doesn’t care for him how the hell is she going to care for her country? And from all the pictures I’ve seen of her holding him, she does not look like she cares for him. Bristol does.
September 8th, 2008 at 5:31 am
I just reread – How could you keep your pregnancy secret from your own parents and most especially, your own children? Ridiculous!
September 8th, 2008 at 5:57 am
One more. Let me rephrase something. I do not want Sarah Palin is the VP because I do not agree with her politics AT ALL and I’m scared of religious fanatics. Even if she was honest, I would not vote for that ticket. Why her honesty is important to me is because she is attracting people who DO share her beliefs and politics. If thoses people knew she was a liar, she would not be so favorable. So that is why her honesty is so important to me.
September 8th, 2008 at 8:13 am
PALIN NEEDS TO GET OUT NOW!!!!! WHETHER SHE OR BRISTOL GAVE BIRTH TO TRIG WILL ONLY TRULY AFFECT THEIR FAMILY———THE DECEPTION AND INTRIGUE AND CONSTANT LIES ARE ISSUES THAT AFFECT EVERYONE IN THE U.S IF SHE GETS TO DC. WE CANNOT HAVE THIS IMMORAL, LIAR, UNETHICAL, POWER MONGREL IN DC. WE STILL NEED TO GET RID OF THE ONES THAT ARE THERE NOW–PALIN, GO CARE FOR YOUR FAMILY AND RESOLVE YOUR BIRTH, PREGNANCY, MOTHER ISSUES. JUST KNOW——EVERYONE IS WATCHING YOU AND YOUR FAMILY AT ALL TIMES=====YOU CHOSE TO PUT YOUR FAMILY ON THE STAGE–YOU CHOSE TO EXPLOIT THEM ====YOU DID==========POOR BRISTOL AND MUCH WORSE POOR TRIG TO HAVE TO HAVE BEEN BORN INTO THIS DYSFUNCTIONAL DECEIVING FAMILY/
September 8th, 2008 at 8:27 am
WHAT WOULD YOU DO IN THIS SENERIO, IF YOU WERE PRESIDENT ELECT?
HOW IN THE WORLD CAN SARAH PALIN SAY SHE WILL BE A 24/7 MOTHER when SHE IS ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES. SHE IS AWAY FROM THE VERY PEOPLE WHO NEED HER THE MOST EMOTIONALLY, PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY…HER SUPPOSABLE DOWN SYNDROME BABY AND POOR BRISTOL WHO IS TRYING TO HANDLE ALL OF THIS WHILE BEING PREGNANT(FOR THE SECOND TIME WITH A TEENAGE MIND). BRISTOL IS THE REAL VICTUM HERE. MOM, FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR TEENAGED PREGNANT CHILD (YOU OUTED) COME CLEAN & GO HOME. BRISTOL NEEDS YOU. I’M FABERGASTED, AS A MOTHER AND ONCE A TEENAGER…TEENAGER PREGNANT. RED FLAGS! DEPRESSION LEADS TO SUICIDES.
Mc Cain needs to step up and be The President Elect and handle truth. America is not stupid. WHAT WOULD YOU DO IN THIS SENERIO, IF YOU WERE PRESIDENT ELECT?
September 8th, 2008 at 8:41 am
religious fanatic!!!!!?????…geez going to church on sunday now makes you a fantatic…wow
September 8th, 2008 at 8:41 am
(fanatic)
September 8th, 2008 at 8:50 am
A religious fanatic is not someone who goes to church on Sunday. A religious fanatic is someone who says “The U.S. Troops were sent to Iraq as a task from God.” And she said that.
I’m so glad I’m not the only one so TICKED ABOUT SARAH PALIN!!! I agree. GO HOME LIAR!!!!
September 8th, 2008 at 8:53 am
you’re not even voting that way…what do you give a shit?…you should hope she’s a horrible monster
September 8th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
This is certainly one of the more bizarre websites out there.
September 8th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Just because one is NOT voting for someone doesn’t mean they shouldn’t care about what that person is doing or turn the other way. It is the same thing as you who seems to care about what negative things are being said about Palin when you clearly are voting “republican” and none of this would change your mind either. The concern to me is not parentage but the possibilty of lies and coverup (several). I too would not vote for her for many reasons such as I don’t like her agenda on issues such as same sex marriages, abortion, oil, not teaching sex-ed in the schools- abstinance only, the war etc. etc. IMO she is a hypocrite and the nation needs to see that.
September 8th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
hmm JS Houston , what is it you are finding so bizarre about this blog? It tends to be a good too blog for writing done with due diligence and a passionate desire to see things go better for all americans and our country as a whole..what is it you find bizarre..
I guess i want to know , what or where have you been surfing that would make this serious politcal blog with a lot of discussion bizarre? There is not a lot of group think though clearly most share a committment to the facts vs. hyperbole. So what is it that strikes you as odd or bizarre ?
signed – curious in New Mexico
September 8th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
The best way to beat Palin back is to list every single Republican who has had or has a family member associated with the Ayrian Nation of Klu Klux Klan. Cpme people, I know some of you know where the klan bones are buried. Cough it up.
We need a Klan Blog.
September 8th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
I would like to enter a question in this thread. The question is for Myrrh. I read your original post toward the beginning of this topic and believe you are very familiar with the Palins. Why would Sarah Palin try to hide her pregnancy, to the point of removing birth records from the local hospital, and why the extreme cover-up job hiding the doctor that delivered the baby? If everything is on the up and up, why is there so much deliberate intrigue involving the entire family?
September 8th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
DeDe:
I think we should be discrediting her on her continued lies. Or the best way is her radical Church and speeches about God’s plan.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
The breaking water story and all the reasons to fly from Texas to Alaska to have Trig and to bypass all of the cities and hospitals enroute, sound more than a little fishy to me.
You can’t have a baby in Texas if you are not pregnant.
You can’t have a baby in Seattle if you are not pregnant.
You can’t have a baby in Anchorage if you are not pregnant.
You can’t have a baby in Palmer or Wasilla if you are not pregnant.
Sarah Palin did not give birth to a baby in any of those cities.
There are no cities or hospitals anywhere with any record of Sarah Palin giving birth to Trig.
Could it be that she just wasn’t pregnant?
An unproven statement that Bristol is presently 5 months pregnant just doesn’t cut it. It makes the whole story seem even more unlikely.
Show me the birth certificate and a DNA test.
September 8th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
ok, so just to stir things up, howabout a trade? his for hers? as in obama’s for sarah’s. http://brianakira.wordpress.com/2008/08/22/obamacrimescom-lawyer-files-suit-against-non-citizen-obama/
it is not illegal, just un-ethical, to pretend that a baby is yours when it might actually be your daughters. it is, however, unconstitutional to become president of the USA if you are not a citizen. sure the KOS displayed a pic of a certificate of live birth for b. hussein obama, but it has been proven fake. obama wont even provided a real birth certificate to show he is elegible to be president. what is he hiding? barry soutoro/barak obama. how many names does it take to get to the center of this man…the world may never know.
September 8th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
Show me:
very succinctly put. By the way, on Sunday Drudge had a teaser up reporting that a newsroom was going to do a detailed story on the PALIN baby but it’s no longer there. Does anyone know what happened?
nytexan:
I’m sorry but I really politicians outed in terms of their family associations with the Klan. I think it’s important.
September 8th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
If Sarah’s Trig’s Mom, while, according to the official story, Palin & her husband are in Texas & then return to have the baby in Wherever, Alaska, Bristol is home alone (parents out of town, cook fired, sisters enrolled in school in Juneau, brother army) with a very serious and one would presume debilitating (as it was in the midst of a 5+ month absence from school & change from being enrolled in a Wasilla school to an Anchorage school) case of mono – and she has sexual intercourse with her high school dropout boyfriend and gets pregnant. I guess I really don’t know that no one was there taking care of Bristol, but it sounds like child neglect. And it must be unusually debilitating, even dangerous to go straight from intense case of mono to pregnancy. Is this scenario plausible?
September 8th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
TIRED:
Are you saying that Obama’s white mother from Kansas wasn’t a citizen of the US? Or are you saying that Hawaii wasn’t a state when Obama was born there? Or are you saying that his white mother flew to Kenya to have Obama in a hospital that didn’t have the couldn’t offer the level of care of an American hospital?
McCain was born on an Army base in the Panama Canal. Does that mean he’s not an American citizen? My husband was born on an army base in England, and he did have to go through an extra step to get a passport.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:22 am
being born on a military base is like being born in the states because it is american soil. so duh, mccain and your husband are citizens. as for b. hussein obama and his place of birth, it is a ligitimate question. when i was young i had to bring a birth certificate to prove my age while playing tee-ball. shouldn’t the guy who wants to be, um, president of the USA provide the people proof of his real name, place of birth, what have you? guess when it happens on the conservative side, it is a scandal and anything is possible. but when it is on the liberal side, how dare you?! people who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. if obama was adopted by his kenyan step father IN kenya or indonesia or wherever he lived at that time, wouldn’t that make him a citizen of that country? and if his birth name was barry soutoro and he only later took the name barack hussein obama, wouldn’t that kind of suggest that he did/does have musslim ties? sorry if you think this stuff is silly but in comparison to the vp baby maternity story, this is WAY more significant.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:31 am
You CANNOT be president of the US without being a natural born citizen of the US- you don’t think that was already proven as it is the law. You can technically be a citizen of more than one country by applying for citizenship but most countries will recognize the original place of birth as your natural citizenship. No, you do not become a citizen of a country just because of the citizenship of your step parent. His name does not suggest he is Muslim. A name does not correlate to one having a specific religion just because many people use Hussein the way Smith is used in the US doesn’t mean you are automatically a specific religion. It isn’t significant to most of us because we don’t believe this lie/propaganda….
September 9th, 2008 at 8:23 am
Also his biological father is named Barack Hussein Obama (where he got his name from) and his stepfather’s name is Lolo Soetoro so how is it (according to you) he would have been born with his stepfather’s last name before his mom met him and then be renamed his biological father’s name afterwards? His father was Kenyan and his stepfather was Indonesian. Maybe you should get it straight.
September 9th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
http://www.ourchiropractic.com/sarah-bristol-fake-pregnancy-hoax-links.html
September 9th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
Jillian:
checked out your site and you provide even more evidence that it is not Sarah Palin’s baby.
Tired:
Obama’s stepfather did not adopt him. And to make a digg toward Obama’s father but basically the only thing he contributed to Obama’s upbringing was sperm as in sperm donor. You know sort of like the way we think of Levi, Trig’s BabyDaddy. And by the way, Levi is a Jewish name but I have no doubt that redneck Levi is NOT JEWISH. And the reason I think this is because the idea of a Jewish child having a child out of wedlock and ruining their future and the child’s would go beyond the pale for a Jewish family. Their stanrads are just too high for that and I think they also have a strong belief that prepared and informed adults should have children.
I guess what you’re trying to say is that his mother is not his mother. But given that he looks just like her except for his great tan, it’s hard to make the case that someone else gave birth to Obama other than the person he has identified as his mother.
September 9th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
jillian: Thanks for the link. That poor poor baby
Based on what I saw there FAS does make sense.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Thanks kids. You’ve brightened my day immensely!
September 9th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Still no birth certificate?
September 9th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
First off…Palins family really shouldn’t have become part of politics. But because all these family issues are arising and lies and deciet could effect the whole government takeover (republicans)…i think its now our right to know. I want to know is this woman really pulling the wool over everyones eyes. (i wouldn’t be surprised..republicans have been doing that for the past 8 years) But evidence just supports all the rumors…and I just shake my head at how ridiculous America is…
September 9th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
Folks we need to donate to the Obama campaign. If McSame and his Hitler get into the White House we are in serious danger.
Instead of going out to dinner or a movie, DONATE to the OBAMA campaign – EVERY DOLLAR COUNTS!!
And remember A PIG WITH LIPSTICK IS STILL A PIG.
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September 9th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
I agree that if McPain and the republican party step into the White House it will be a disaster. I am really preparing myself to see a civil war while I am alive. Nothing positive has come from any Republican gathering so far…and if Palin is really a liar…which I’m sure we will find out shortly – then I will have no respect for anyone voting republican. period.
September 9th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
MemphisChic:
I agree with you about civil war. Since China holds more of our debt than Saudi Arabia, they’re more likely to invade us to rpotect their interests, similar to what the U.S. has done in the Middle East.
A lot of people are not getting it. The Republicans have said that the election s not about the ssues, it’s about image. We need to make it about the issues because otherwise, we’re looking at WAR on U.S. soil.
People should be VERY afraid.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:38 am
The NATIONAL ENQUIRER is GONNA KICK SARAH “BARRACUDA” PALIN’s ass!! check it out http://www.nationalenquirer.com/
And I think DRUDGE must be really scared becaues it does not appear as one of his lead in stories.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:58 am
Are you all as frustrated with the sex, lies and videotapes? First, we know that Bristol gave birth to Trig and the big lie to cover it up! Just review the video out there and come to your own conclusion.
I am also fuming at the blatent lies this McCain campaign is continuing to spew out to the American public. Even when it’s been proven otherwise. As Barack says they must think we’re stupid! How do you continue to claim you’re a reformer when we learn of the lie regarding the ‘bridge to nowhere’ and keeping the money, earmarks that totalled $27 million in a town of 6,000 and the most recent per diem scandal.
She is no reformer!
Now, they claim to be change agents. What a ridiculous whopper!
How can you ‘change’ the direction of the country when you have 30+ lobbyist on your campaign staff (Barack has 0 – maybe that’s why the crowd at the RNC was chanting ‘ZERO’ celebrating his ethics).
How can you claim ‘change’ when you now go public announcing Karl Rove is on your team?!?
How can you claim ‘change’ when you vote 90%+ with that of GWB. No way, No how!
McCain is trying to have it both ways! He wants to run on the experience platform yet selects Palin. Now, he wants to run on the ‘change’ platform yet he is at the top of the ticket and she is more in line with GWB than he!
America, please WTFU and recognize the sham of the campaign the GOP is running. It is nothing but smoke and mirrors that’s based on deception. It is all about ‘Me First’, not ‘Country First’. Don’t you see this? From Sarah putting her candidacy ahead of family to McCain trying to fulfill his ‘deserved’ Presidency. It is based on deception, distractions, Please do not allow this corruption to continue. Please see through the static and noise. Please vote for real change…Obama/Biden!
September 10th, 2008 at 1:15 am
Thanks Barack for the double metaphor today and providing all of us a line that should be used DAILY….’You can put lipstick on a pig, but, it’s still a pig’! What better way to eliminate Palin’s dumba** lipstick comments and slap both McPlain (Is he still running for Prez?) and Palin! I’d like to see Barack keep with the pressure and put the GOP on the defensive, for a change. Let them chase & defend down the stretch!
September 10th, 2008 at 9:36 am
Cast your mind back to 1997. Now in reality Diana, Princess of Wales died on Sunday, 31 August of that year. Imagine if in the few months before that Bill and Hillary Clinton had announced that their then 17 year old daughter Chelsea was 5 months pregnant. What response would have come from right wing pundits? Would they have been supportive and dignified, or would they have spewed out vile torrents of filth?
Now if it’s true that baby Trig really has Down’s Syndrome then I don’t believe Bristol could be his mother, but I do believe there is more to come out about all this. And I believe that what comes out will be sordid or weird or both
Also both McCain and Obama are eligible to stand for office because they both have at least one parent who was a US citizen and that’s all you need
September 10th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
What’s wrong with DRUDGE? Ne’s not reporting the ENQUIRER story on TRACK PALIN.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Although the probability increases with maternal age, 80% of children with Down syndrome are born to women under the age of 35, reflecting the overall fertility of that age group. So maternal age influences the chances of conceiving a baby with Down syndrome but you can be ANY age and have a child born with Down syndrome (they could be the 1 in 1,000).
September 10th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Only Palin has said that the baby had DOWN Syndrome. Since there is no record of Trig’s birth that anyone has been able to locate, there is NO evidence that he has down syndrome. He could have FAS. Also, didn’t Sarah take an aminocentesis at four or five months to determine if the baby had down’s? It just doesn’t fit that Sarah had the baby and given the ENQUIRER story that both Track and his sister Bristol abused drugs and alcohol, I’m sticking with my suspicion that TRIG is a FAS baby.
September 10th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
here’s a direct quote from the PALIN BARRACUDA story:
“Bristol was a huge stoner and drinker. I’ve seen her smoke pot and get drunk and make out with so many guys. All the guys would brag that the just made out with Bristol.”
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/
September 10th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Shocking new video just discovered of McCain speaking on behalf of the Minnesota I-35 bridge collapse and firing at Palin and her ‘Bridge to Nowhere’ citing her earmarks could have prevented the collapse.
This is a smoking gun, guys!
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/10/103448/087/539/593399
Please view and pass, pass, pass!
September 10th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
Interesting site regarding Palin baby controversy.
Check it out:http://www.sarah-palin-photos.com/
After reviewing the facts and photos, I believe that Bristol is the moother of Trig Palin. It is too bad this teen mom had a Down Syndrome baby, but someone in her age group has approx. a 1/1000 chance. I only hope that the national media is investigating this story and the truth be told, before its too late. I am sure that someone in that town knows the truth, and will come forward.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
Daryl:
I saw that vid and you’re right powerful stuff along with the earmarks.
Anon:
I don’t think baby Trig has Down Syndrome. I think he has fetal alcohol syndrome. What I don’t understand is why the hospital staff did not notify chld protective services, which is standard procedure. Trig is at extreme high risk for child abuse and neglect given that his mother is a teenager, a substance abuser and unmarried. The risk multiplies even further given that Bristol is working on her second pregnancy.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
I’m very demo and I just shake my head at the fact that if all these rumors ARE true…which I’m trying HARD not to believe but evidence is sure making it hard not to..what are republicans REALLY trying to do if they’re reelected. that’s scary. mccain and palin are like the door to hell on earth.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:40 am
So, in an effort to reduce the talk of Bristol being the mother, did you notice that it was Willow who was holding Trig at the RNC? They intentionally kept Bristol furthest away actually sitting to the outside of her boyfriend and Cindy McCain. I point this out because I wanted to see if this may be the start of a trend. Keeping Bristol away from Trig ‘publicly’. Well, tonight when Sara arrived in Fairbanks, she was greeted by ‘family’. Again I saw Willow holding Trig. What was interesting to me was the fact that I only saw Piper. And Sara was positioning her to be out front for the cameras. Bristol and Track were not even there. I seriously doubt we’ll see Bristol & Trig together over the next 50 days.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:35 am
Daryl,
I know what you mean and thought the exact same thing. I’m afraid this is just another one of those 9/11 / JFK government cover-up lies that we will get the truth on .. never!! Even if it is so obvious to everyone in the world the truth will not come out in the msm. However, if the plan is to get someone else into office (ie Lieberman) all that Palin has to do is get McCain elected. THEN, they can release the story of her lie and she will be sent packing and Lieberman will get in. Then McCain will not make it to the end and Lieberman will be president. And THAT is the most depressing thought ever. I am from CT and he is such a sore point around here it’s not funny!
September 11th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
This may not be part of the thread but is a piece of info that is relevant to the palin controversies, which may display what her character is really like, and what her motives for government “service” seem to be. There is further proof that she may be very dishonest located at this link. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080909/ap_on_el_pr/palin_travel_expenses;
It is a link to yahoo news dated Sept. 09, 2008, that tells the story of palin charging the taxpayers of Alaska for 312 trips while she was sitting at home in Wasilla. The reimbursements totaled $93,000.00. The story also states that she was paid for members of her family taking out of state trips. There may be a firestorm about whether these were actually state sponsored, and may add to her overall corruption problems.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
The ‘Per-Diem Gate’ points out several concerning issues in regards to abusing the office. The most glaring to me aside from the free travel for her kids and the expense income for her husband, but, the fact this report exposes she worked from home over 300 days in an 18 month period. So, not only is she running a state government the size of Austin, TX, but, she’s doing it ‘part-time’. So, let’s review her ‘prepared’ talking points which the GOP refuses to address and cite ’sexism’ when folks question her record:
‘I’m a Hockey Mom’ – Palin’s son Track hasn’t played hockey since he was a youth and neither of the daughters have taken up the sport. She hasn’t been a ‘hockey mom’ in years!
‘I was against the bridge to nowhere’ – She was actually for it and it was the basis of her platform in running for Governor. Congress actually pressured her to change her position, yet, she still collected the money anyway and then built a road leading up to where the bridge would have been built. That road, as it stands, is a dead end. A prime example of wasteful spending!
‘I was Mayor of Wasilla and I had executive experience’ – She had a staff of 12 and the town only had 5,000 people at the time of her tenure.
‘I am against earmarks’ – She actually accepted $27 million in earmarks while overseeing her small town and actually left them with a debt of over $20 million. While Governor, she brokered $450 million in earmarks. This goes directly against McCain’s ideals!
‘I took that luxury jet and put it on eBay’ – She didn’t sell it on eBay after placing it on the site 3 different times. She actually sold it to a lobbyist from Dallas, TX who bought it for $600k less than actual value which cost the taxpayers.
‘I fired the chef’ – She didn’t fire the chef, but, reassigned her. Then, began to overcharge and max out her per diem reports to generate further income.
‘I am Commander in Chief over of Alaska’s National Guard’ – A clause from National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007 amended the Insurrection Act, handing President George W. Bush expanded power to declare martial law and take over Guard troops without a governor’s assent. Passed by the Congress and signed by the president more than a month before Palin took office in December 2006. She had zero command!
Don’t get me started on the whole cover up with baby Trig!
Here’s just a few points that have been refuted. Points that have been spun to appear in her favor either by lying or by painting lipstick on a pig.
September 11th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
1. Close mouth
2. Open ears
3. Do research
4. Draw conclusions
This prevents you looking like an idiot in front of everyone for spreading rumors that are later proved to be untrue. Shame on you for making up conjecture about who is the mother of Trig.
If you find that your life is confusing and its hard to be blown about by what everyone else is saying and you never know who to believe… ground yourself in truth and knowledge. Become skeptical AND compassionate. STOP TALKING and START LISTENING. Depriving yourself of factual evidence is just sad for everyone who has to listed to you.
September 11th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
*listen
FYI – when I was pregnant I gained about 70 lbs and I could cross my legs! *SHOCK*
Some of my friends gained less weight – 10, 20 lbs. My mother was 7 months pregnant with my sister and her stomach was flat (concave before that)
Point is – Not everyone’s pregnancy is the same. Won’t you feel stupid when Bristol gives birth in 2 months. She must be totally magical to be the mother of both a 7 month old and a newborn at the same time. This must be a miracle. Oh wait… you don’t believe in those do you?
September 11th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
To April,
How can you be so sure that Bristol is pregnant like has been said. It seems you may be guilty of assumptions like others in this thread, since there is no proof to verify your self-righteous statements to be true.I don’t believe your claim about crossing your legs with 70 lbs. extra weight from being pregnant, can you prove it with photos.? Even if you supplied a picture of your supposed condition, you can’t prove it’s real other than the claim that it is authentic. Your assumptions could be just as wrong as another’s without documented proof. Why don’t you contact Mrs. Palin and persuade her to end the controversies with valid documents so we can all go home.
September 11th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
April- During prior prenancies, Palin gained a substantial amount of weight and it was extremely obvious that she was pregmant. Why is this pregnancy any different. With every pregnancy, a woman tends to show earlier along. We all know that. And have you heard of a mom of 4 having an extended 24 hours of labor? No, thats because the baby is Trigs son.
Re: Suspicions regarding who is Trig Palins Mom—-This web site is a good start;http://www.sarah-palin-photos.com/
We have been told that Bristol is 5 months pregnant, so she can’t be the mother. However, we really don’t know if Bristol is 3, 4 or 5 months pregnant. A woman can get pregnant if they have unprotected sex after delivery. April to Sept is 5 months. Of course, she may not be pregnant- just not lost baby weight yet, and breast feeding can lead to engorged, large breasts. In that case, she would soon miscarry. Upon review of facts and photos, it appears that new Gov. Palin decided to cover-up her 16yo pregnancy in hopes of promoting her career. An adoption was canned when they found out the baby had Downs Syndrome (or FAS?). Bristol was pulled from school with “mono” x 5 months- unheard of to us in the medical field! At the last minute, Sarah announces that she is 7 months pregnant—to the surprise of the Govenors office and people of Alaska. She gives interviews with no physical signs of third term pregnancy. She doesn’t act pregnant- the woman was planning on climbing a glacier when she was 6 months, but trip was cancelled due to bad weather. Sarah Palin travels to Texas for a meeting in April- her water breaks at 0430. Even so, she gives her speech, then travels 10 hours to Alaska, then drives 1 hour to a small town hospital—knowing that she is a high risk pregnancy at >40yo with Down syndrome baby. No one on the plane even knew she was pregnant, let alone in labor! There are hospital photos of Bristols boyfriends sister holding the baby at the hospital. Why was she there if it was Sarahs baby? Maybe because it was her brothers baby. Sarah Palin returns towork 3 days later. The convention photo of Bristol holding Trig and her boyfriend gently touching and kissing the baby is odd, and your gut feeling is that this photo is the mommy, daddy and baby. A video shot from outside the convention shows Bristol holding the baby, and sucking on the pacifier- very odd for a big sister to do but not so for a mother. No birth certificate. No baby photo posted at Wasilla Hospital, along with all other babies born that day. OB gyn who delivered baby is suddenly in hiding. And why wouldn’t she tell Sarah Palin to stay put in Texas and delivery baby in hospital with NICU/PICU capable of dealing with high risk pregnancy — especially since she was The Gov, >40yo with Down Syndrome Baby. And by the 5th baby, labor is short… a few hours, NOT 24hours! Too many red flags!
September 11th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
DNA tests or authenticated documents are needed. Can we petition someone?
September 12th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
Has anyone been to the sarah-palin-photos.com lately? See what the guy just wrote… sounds like something must be going on.. *sighs*…
September 12th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
I am not a conspiracy nut. I don’t have a vendetta against Sarah Palin, or John McCain (however in full disclosure I am supporting Obama). I don’t share any moral platform with the outcries of “family values” on either side of this particular debate. I don’t really care who the parents of Trig Palin are. This being said, I can’t completely explain my obsession with the short lived / redacted life of this story as it broke over the internet over the last few days.
While I have no moral stake in this baby claim, I do feel these questions you have raised have not been adequately addressed by the McCain campaign (or the media for that matter) and represent a severe “ethical” dilemma in which the personal situations of our leaders takes precedence over the common good through lies, manipulation and abuse of power.
For these reasons I would like to share with you some information I have uncovered below regarding the “birth announcement” of Trig Palin. Sarah Palin was said to have delivered baby Trig at the Mat Su Regional Hospital, which in turn has no on line record of Trig Palin for the date of April 18th, 2008. There are two simple explanations for this; either the hospital administrators deliberately omitted this information from their online record, or, the baby was never delivered at Mat Su Regional.
There was however a baby delivered to parents “Amber” and “Levi” on April 18th at Alaska Regional Hospital (see links below), a mere 45 min. drive from Wasilla.
http://www.alaskaregional.com/cpm/w-index.html
scroll down to the link on April 18th, 2008
http://www.newbabynews.net/hospitals/akr22/babies/images/h22-3127-med.jpg
Here is another AP link to Trig Palin with his ‘grandparents’……
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0eIA5qy1wt0Zw/340x.jpg
Striking resemblance? ……. I’ll let you be the judge…
While I recognize that this is a bit of a stretch and that ’some of the names may have changed to protect the innocent’; it doesn’t seem any more far fetched than the “facts” which have emerged from the McCain campaign. How do we know Bristol Palin is 5 months pregnant instead of 5 months post partum? Because the McCain campaign told us so. To date no one has produced a single piece of compelling evidence to put this story to rest (this post included). If the initial story was untrue, all the McCain campaign would have had to produce is a single photo of Sarah Palin and her family celebrating the birth of their newest child in the delivery room (not during mind you….) or in the recovery ward. Surely, there is family documentation of this special birth event…. If she is so content to wear her motherhood on her sleeve, than why shy away from sharing a photo from an innocent moment that every family could relate to.
Would it not have been so much easier to squash the rumor that Bristol Palin was not the mother of Trig by producing such a photo? Instead, the McCain campaign created a shell game for a past scandal by dragging Bristol Palin (and the media) into a future one.
September 13th, 2008 at 9:42 am
At 33 weeks I was rushed to the hospital via Dr.s orders. I called my Dr. with the news of a small surprizing gush while using the bathroom. Immediately admitted, it was discovered to be a slow leek of my amnotic fluid. I spent the next 2 weeks on my back using bed pans, unable to get up at the risk of my baby getting an infection. It was a long fearful 2 weeks, but well worth the risks of having a normal healthy baby. I cannot imagine a older “at risk” mother knowingly carring a baby with down syndrome NOT rushing to the nearest hospital OR a Dr. that would allow anything other than immediate inspection/check up of Sarah’s port hole of infection and possible imnmediate birth. This is UNBELIEVABLE! My mother delivered 11 children and had 3 miscarrages. Every pregnancy was a health concern for a healthy baby. As a petite woman, my mother showed bigger with each pregnancy and had shorter time spent in labor. (within a few hours) Come on small town america. Do you think americans are as sheltered as you? You cannot pull the wool over our eyes, maybe your small town is willing to believe it and say nothing, but I don’t buy it for a second! If it walks like a duck, quauks like a duck…it’s a duck!
September 13th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
I’m sorry to see the sarah-palin-photos.com website go down, but I understand. Battling the main stream media is like fighting a war using cottonballs against an army with guns. It is frustrating, disappointing and maddening to have to give up the fight but it makes sense. There clearly isn’t a record of trig palin at the hospital he was reported to have been born. Sarah Palin still has her hair up and looks like robo-mom warrior queen after supposedly give birth. Does she ever take her hair down? Geez! Anyway the photos of the other baby at Alaska Regional hospital COULD be the real deal but come January or December when Bristol supposedly gives birth to her baby, they could use photos from the first day or two of Trig’s birth to use as proof that Bristol just gave birth. So I will remember the little babe with the upsidedown dinosaurs on is little jumpsuit (whatever you call it). This has taken up a lot of time. All we can do is wait, sadly.
September 13th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Before someone says how stupid I look for believing everything I hear/see, I will just say this. Yes, searching for the answer/truth here is desperate and like grasping at straws. I had hoped that Bush would finally be out and there was hope for change. But now that hope is gone. So I give up. I will do my civic duty of voting for Obama (because he’s the other choice) even though I personally believe the whole sytem is rigged and the powers that be get the puppet they want anyway. So, later folks. I will still hope for the best but expect the worst. GL to all.
September 13th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Dropping the sarah-palin-photos.com site is such BS. What happened to keeping the site up until proof was provided. There’s not been an ouce of truth given so far. Clearly the site was taken down by the ‘Truth Squad’ who is a group hired to dismantle all sites like these that allow freedom of speech and thought. What an outrage.
Just how do you explain all this away by simply claiming Bristol is supposedly 5 months pregnant?
- No record of birth for Trig at the hospital
- No phtos taken of Trig at the time of birth
- No record of the delivering Dr & where is she?
- No record of Dr visits by Sarah Palin during her pregnancy
- Visual claims by locals that Bristol was pregnant during/after she was taken from school for supposed Mono
- No reporting of pregnancy to staff or even family memebers (like her own parents, sisters or anyone) until after the 7 month mark?
- Pics and video of Sarah showing no signs of appearing pregnant including Newsweek interview, walking interview, drinking coffee etc.
- Pics & video of Bristol with Trig and clear chemistry while pics of Sarah with Trig appear to look like one with their grandchild
- Pics of Levi’s sister holding the baby the morning of the delivery
- Pics of Sarah with her hair done, make-up wearing shorts the morning of delivery and not appearing post-partom
Guys, the mounting circumstantial evidence would convict one of homicide without a body. Clearly, Sarah is putting her political gain ahead of family at every step. I found it surprising that she didn’t ‘blink’ when asked to be VP? She didn’t have any hhesitations? I mean, not one thougt about relocating her family? Not one thought about baby Trig? Not one thought about her daughter’s ’supposed’ pending teen pregnancy?
This all screams of COVER UP!
September 13th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
http://www.sarah-palin-photos.com/
“Dear Friends Seeking the Truth. I have voluntarily taken this site down today
under no duress, pressure or comments from any party or persons.”
It’s hard to track down people commenting on a blog, but having a website makes it very easy to see who is paying for it. The Rightwing jackals are systematically squashing this story, and hiding Sarah from the press (except for softball ‘interviews’ with Charlie Gibson). The Sarah-Palin-photos.com disclaimer reminds me of those hostages forced to read a ’statement’ on the videocamera (or radio, in John McCain’s case – he was forced to read war-crimes confessions on Vietnamese, French and Cuban radio). “I voluntarily admit I am a war criminal, bombing innocent women and children of Hanoi. I admit this under no duress, pressure or comments from any party or persons.”
If an informed electorate is the foundation of a sustainable Democracy, what happens when the electorate is NOT informed, and when the Press is actively targeted by people with Power and Money to squash inconvenient stories ? What happens when amateur liars are promoted to National office and given world class resources to carry out future Coverups that even Richard M. Nixon would be proud of ?
When you think of how stupid the average American is, realize that half of them are stupider than that.
September 13th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
And so what happened to freedom of speech??? I do so think the owner of the spp.com site was “persuaded” by whomever & whatever to remove the info. Plus did anyone else also notice how the under no duress, etc. was underlined?
September 13th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
I can’t believe this! I just happened to click on one of these rumor mills a couple of days ago and now I am pretty much convinced that the rumor is true. I have been going to the rumor sites and watching the links disappear one by one. Even the last one showing levi and amber as parents from Skeptical is gone. I can’t find the delivering doctor anywhere on Mat-su and can’t even get cached pages. Sarh.hoax.com is now has a short note saying that she now believes it to be only a rumor because of some new evidence, I wrote her and asked her what it was. She said there wasn’t any and that we just had to “sit tight” and wait to see what happens. Why did she put that notice up then? Wiki answers has closed the thread and gives a link saying the rumor is debunked. I tried a new one and it wouldn’t let me post it. The only evidence “debunking” the rumor according to this link is that Bristol is 5 months pregnant. That is NOT evidence! She could have gotten pregnant again for one or she may not be pregnant at all. I am waiting for the “miscarriage”.
Click on some of these previously posted links. You’ll find that they aren’t there anymore. Why was Bristol going to high school in Anchorage when she lived in Wasilla? Why does she have 3 traffic violations and managed to get pregnant while under house arrest? Why was she removed for 5 months for mono when the usual prognosis is 2 weeks, sometimes 1 month? Where are Palin’s medical records? They are supposed to be public at this point! How could two entire flight staffs not know she was in labor, or even pregnant, while she flew for 11 hours?
What makes more sense? An accomplished 44 year old with big plans get pregnant again, oops. Or a 17(16) year old who has not been taught sex-education gets pregnant and it’s covered up with the old “grandma pretends its hers” scenario? Hmmmm, I know what I pick.
Just give me one piece of GOOD evidence to settle this! Please!
I do believe we should be focusing on McCain and not Palin, but this is too despicable to let go. They have already insulted us with thinking that a woman would be enough to get all the Hilary voters back. We are voting for POLICY (at least that is what we SHOULD be doing) and not because she is a damn woman!
September 13th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Food for thought… One of the main issues confronting the Republicans is the horrible condition of the economy that has been the result of their watch over the last 10 years. I have reason to believe that the Powers That Be (PTB), have been planning the destruction of Middle-class for some 25 years, and replacing that output with a cheaper labor force producing the same quotas. This would explain the influx of illegal immigrants, and the outsourcing of jobs to third world countries at astonishing rates of speed, thereby increasing profits for the truly wealthy at the expense of the average American, democrat or republican.
A study of political history will provide one with the scenario which divulges that in 4 to 12 year intervals, Congress and the Presidency changes parties from one to the other. Since it is my understanding that Republicans (Grand Ole Party, or GOP) represent big business, banks, investment, and the higher-ups in society, and the common people that align with this fracture, and Democrats represent the average working class and those that see themselves as part and parcel of this demographic, the PTB sees to it that our elections offer some form of equanimity over any given time, and both parties, for the sake of seeming balanced, have their time at the till, one after the other.
Suppose for a moment, that the Sarah Palin pick is a way for the Republicans to insure that they will actually LOSE the election, due to the timetable mentioned above, and to avoid the huge backlash for the upcoming financial armegeddon that will affect all life on the planet as we know it. This would explain their supposed lack of vetting the candidate, and the arrogant attitude that is being displayed for the apparent cover-ups, and would also make the incoming Democratic President responsible for the wreckage that they have put into place, and no one would be the wiser.
Running for high office always boils down to how much money any candidate can generate over a condensed period, and although the Palin pick has produced a soap-opera-like atmosphere surrounding the election, this could have been the objective in the first place to generate the huge sums of money to scavenge before they leave office after January. Campaign contributions are gifts to the candidates from supporters, and afterwards the candidates that lose get to keep what is left after the party takes their cut off the top. I assume that Mrs. Palin would not turn down a chance to become a millionaire, even if it meant risking the “sanctity” of her values and immediate family. The cover-ups, and obscurity concerning the candidate helps to prolong the inevitable to keep the donations flowing for as long as possible. When the truth floats to the surface, and if it is contrary to the image that has been promoted, the money will reverse to a trickle, and the game is over…
These are only considerations offered from a humble observer, and nothing more.
September 13th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
About the money mentioned in last post. Came across this video by accident. Had to watch/listen to it a few times, even tho’ I am no prude… am not crazy about some of the language. But that’s beside the point, because at the end of the video…. one hears the phrase… “money… go get the money…”
To get to the video for those of you who haven’t seen/heard it yet & might want to… go to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-QevraCQUc
And just to let it be known, I am not connected with whomever posted the video. But I do think it’s a hoot!
September 14th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Oh my gosh!! And now I have just found out that the following video has been removed from YouTube. It was a posted clip from a CBC program. The video was called, “CBC raises questions about Trig Palin’s birth”… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7Coy1OAQXY In case anyone doesn’t know, CBC stands for Canadian Broadcasting Company or Corporation, etc.
September 14th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Nonnie,
It’s still there, I just checked. Not that I would be surprised if it wasn’t. I wish we could download it, just in case.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
How is it possible that Bristol can be the mother of Trig? She is currently five months pregnant and Trig is currently five months old. I think it’s kind of impossible to conceive a baby while pregnant and even if she conceived him after, you still have to wait about a month or two, so it’s obvious that Bristol is the sister of Trig. Also, the plane ride from Texas to Alaska was only about eight hours, not twelve, the hospital doesn’t have to publish the birth…after all, she is the govenor and can basically change it so her child’s birth is not announced for privacy, just like some celebrities probably do, just because Bristol was out of school for five months with “mono” doesn’t mean that she was pregnant that whole time. Maybe she was really, really sick, and after five kids and staying healthy and excerising, it is possible for Sarah to not show a bump. My mom had five kids and after each one, her bumps grew smaller and smaller. I’m 99.9% sure that Bristol is the sister of Trig, not the mother.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
Miss Elaine and a nonnie mouse:
The youtube video link you provided is now at the end of this post.
September 14th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
Hi Kelly,
I would read through some of these postings. They might answer your questions, like, how do we know Bristol is pregnant? How do we know she is 5 months pregnant and not 4 months 1 week? Also, her water broke at 4am, she stayed through lunch at the meeting, flew to Seattle, flew to Alaska, drove from Anchorage (or was it Juno?) all the way to Wasilla (this is Palin’s statement). That is WAY more than 8 hours. You can most definitely get pregnant right away after delivering, by the way. And, Palin’s medical records are supposed to be public at this point. Where are they?
September 15th, 2008 at 12:04 am
I have learned throughout my life experience that when something doesnt make sense its usually not true: and none of this makes sense to me…if bristol is the mom then sarah is not legit and i dont want someone like that in charge: end of story
September 15th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
I also smell a cover-up that needs to be revealed. First of all Bristol is more than likely the mother of Trig. Despite the release that she is 5 months pregnant now, she could still be pregnant since it is quite possible to become pregnant during this time period if one has unprotected sexual intercourse. This is because approximately 50% of women begin ovulating again prior to the return of their menstrual cycles. Although some women’s menstrual cycles are temporarily irregular after giving birth, generally speaking cycles usually resume with in 6 weeks of delivery.
September 15th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
How do we demand medical records of candidate for VP?? When did Bristol switch schools to Anchorage & why? Sounds like she transfered schools around the time that she was out with mono-again where’s the sense? Would it have been dangerous for the girl with horrible case of mono, while out of school for 5 months to be sexually active, get pregnant and go right from sick bed to pregnancy. Who was caring for her & supervising her while so sick etc.I agree it’s not the most important issue, but I don’t like to be lied to esp. by someone who is so “holier than thou”
September 15th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
How do we demand medical records of candidate for VP?? When did Bristol switch schools to Anchorage & why? Sounds like she transfered schools around the time that she was out with mono-again where’s the sense? Would it have been dangerous for the girl with horrible case of mono, while out of school for 5 months to be sexually active, get pregnant and go right from sick bed to pregnancy. Who was caring for her & supervising her while so sick etc.I agree it’s not the most important issue, but I don’t like to be lied to esp. by someone who is so “holier than thou”
September 15th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
As a physician, I know that a written excuse and evaluation must have been submitted to the Super of the School system in order for her to be release for that long of a period 5 months. Mono patients are not kept away for more 3 -4 weeks at best. Getting to the secretary of Superintendant of the school system could unravel this mystery.
September 15th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
Does that hold up when the request comes from the govenor? Somehow I doubt it. Plus, her doctor friend, Cathy Baldwin-Johnson , who it seems she has helped out in the past, might have written one for her. She is the delivery doctor (who is not an OB/GYN) that no longer seems to work at Mat-su, even though she is still listed on lots of doctor network sites as working there…
September 15th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Okay so Dr. Charles purports that it is impossible that Bristol could be out of school for so long-my experience is that if a note is presented to a school by liscenced medical practicioner(sp?) it very likely might not be questioned (if the parent is the govwernor even less likely) My thinking is that if it is not impossible, but only extremely improbable to be sick with mono for 5 months-how sick would this girl have to be & how sexual might such a girl feel or be capable of being ANd furthermore if all this was the case (so sick & inclined to have intercourse) would such a child be left unattended with a boyfriend (in a religiously right family/community) able to visit without supervision-I think this is a matter for child protection agency -neglect abuse for a very, very profoundly ill child to be unattended & unmonitored – not the same as a healthy teenager & her boyfriend taking some liberties somewher & going over the line (this might not be neglect) but home sick blah, blah, blah. Yes, We can accept a mother in a high position managing both, but Sarah parades her family & her status as a super-mother & then cWHINEs when we say but…
September 15th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
medschool:
Not only was Bristol out of school for five months but she also advanced to the next grade. That’s puzzling f she was OUT OF SCHOOL – you know not attending school.
I’m from te contingent who believes Bristol, like her brother abused drugs and alcohol during her pregnancy which caused Trig’s mental retardation as in fetal alcohol syndrome. I also believe is pregnant with baby #2. I don’t think Sarah Palin has any control over her children. think they were left basically to the help and anyone else willing to be bothered with them.
Get the National Enquirer. “what’s Palin is Hiding. I don’t narcissistic Palin would get pregnant after she became gov. but her out of control daughter would.
September 15th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
I have it on good authority that Sarah Palin has already gone through menopause. How then can she be a new mother? She can’t. The baby Trig is Bristol’s baby.
September 16th, 2008 at 12:21 am
Menopause? At 44? That’s a little young. What kind of authority?
September 16th, 2008 at 12:55 am
Dealwithit:
Down’s Syndrome is caused by an extra chromosome, not drug or alcohol use. I’m not sure if Trig is Sarah’s baby or Bristol’s, but if he is Sarah’s she did everything she could to make sure he didn’t survive. When my water broke with my third pregnancy (at age 37, young compared to Palin’s 43), I didn’t go into labor either. But I called the hospital and they told me to come in IMMEDIATELY. At the hospital, I was examined and found to be 5 cm dilated. They insisted I remain in bed AT ALL TIMES to prevent prolapse of the umbilical cord (and death of my unborn child) and induced me the following morning. How could Sarah Palin’s doctor recommend the long flight from Texas to Alaska, followed by a 45 minute drive to Palmer from Anchorage without any internal examination? If she was dilated (and there is no way a woman can tell how dilated she is no matter how many babies she’s had) the cord could very easily have prolapsed on the long flight or the drive to the remote hospital. For that matter, why was a family practitioner rather than an OB-GYN used to deliver a Down’s Syndrome baby from a 43-year-old mother? I’m pretty sure that would be considered a high risk pregnancy. I also have noticed a great sadness in Bristol Palin’s face – is Trig really her baby? I wouldn’t be surprised.
The most important thing that we all have to keep in mind is that John McCain and Sarah Palin would complete the ruination of our country that George W. Bush has already begun. McCain was a war hero, but that in itself does not mean that he would be a good, or a smart, president. McCain called the so-called “religious right” (which is neither) “agents of intolerance” in 2000. Now he is so much in their pocket that he has picked the queen of the agents of intolerant,Sarah Palin, as his running mate. Sarah Palin is so unqualified to even THINK about being President that we don’t even need to discuss that. I want our next president to work for the future of America, by getting us off the environment-destroying oil economy and focusing the nation on becoming the global leader in renewable energy. I want our next president to tax wealthier people and corporations more than poor and middle-class people – no more “rich get richer”, can’t you live with “rich stay rich”? I want our next president to be very smart, and very well educated – someone who is calm and thinks before he acts and who doesn’t think that God is telling him what to do. I want our next president to promote universal health care so we can join the rest of the civilized first world nations in a more humane approach to health care. I want Barack Obama as our next president.
September 16th, 2008 at 1:28 am
Miss Elaine:
I started my menopause in my early 40’s. menses stopped when I was forty-three and flashed stopped when I was 47.
Jan:
I don’t think Trig has Down Syndrome. I think he’s a fetal alcohol baby. And yes, Bristol looks very sad. She also looks at the baby as if she’s his mother.
September 16th, 2008 at 1:29 am
Miss Elaine:
Menopause can start as early as 35.
Jan:
I don’t think Trig has Down Syndrome. I think he’s a fetal alcohol baby. And yes, Bristol looks very sad. She also looks at the baby as if she’s his mother.
September 16th, 2008 at 8:56 am
After looking at the child in close-ups it appears that he exhibits clinical features of Down’s syndrome.. The literature states that most children with Down syndrome around the world are born to YOUNG mothers (because most babies are born to young mothers).
The risk of Down syndrome increases with the mother’s age. Under age 30, the risk is about 1 in 1500 births. Above age 35, the risk has increased to the degree that amniocentesis is often recommended to detect the syndrome. Still, the risk at age 35-39 is given as only 1 in 200 to 270 births. For all women over age 40, the combined risk is 1 in 60 to 85 births (specific risks are available by age).
Having your children at a younger age decreases the risk of Down syndrome. I also think that Bristol is suffering from Post Partum Depression since it appears that she is crying a lot during the rallies. Sarah “does not blink” and exhibits no clinical manifeastations of depression which is very common after a delivery.
September 16th, 2008 at 9:10 am
Great, I’m only 34 and haven’t even decided if I want a kid yet, thanks for bringing me down, guys!
Jan, well said. This is my sentiment exactly. Unfortunately, America seems to want to vote for a president that they would most like to have a beer with. We do need to remain focused on McCain and not get too distracted by this. I think anything we say against Palin is just going to make the pro-Palins’ stick up for her more, turning her into a martyr. This article is a good read (as it the entire site) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-cusack/the-final-distraction-mcc_b_126672.html
September 16th, 2008 at 9:40 am
Also to get to the bottom of this… An ethics violation charge can be sent to the Board of Medicine in Alaska… since it appears that Sarah’s doctor Cathy Baldwin-Johnson may have given poor advice to her patient to travel more than 10 hrs after breaking her water, as well as bypassing the local hosptals without checking (i.e. prescreening exam) into the closes ER to make sure she had not diluted to the point of delivery. Also a second charge could be brought forth against Dr. Cathy Baldwin-Johnson for writing a false medical note stating that Bristol had Mono vs being pregnant which allowed her to stay out of the school for 5 months which is almost unheard of with Mono unless you have splenomegaly which is limited to 3 -4 weeks. As a physician, I can go forth with the ethic charges but do we know of any other MD’s involved.. LET me know first before I do this>> thanks
September 16th, 2008 at 9:56 am
I, personally, am not sure. I wonder if it will do more harm than good. I thought we were supposed to see their medical records, but maybe that is only for President. Doctors has to sign a petition to see McCain’s and he only let people see his for 3 hours (1200 pages or so) and no electronic recording devices were allowed. If Palin makes more of a fool of herself politically, that may do her more harm than any of this. I think this whole thing is horrible and she should be investigated immediately, however, I am trying to put myself in the shoes of her supporters. If this was exposed, I am sure they would love her more and see this as a sacrifice she has undertaken to save her daughter.
September 17th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
Wow, you folks are like blind sharks. You’ll believe anything as long as it is something negative about Sarah Palin. And if you hear anything positive about her, then you immediately start digging to find the “truth” underneath.
But apparently, Obama and Biden are above such scrutiny – do they even have children? I don’t know, since 95% of all news articles are too busy trying to dig up more dirt on Palin.
Now, if I was a Democrat and I was angry because the Republicans dared to nominate a female candidate, and terrified that she would steal votes from our “black” candidate, I would start trying to undermine her character immediately, whether it’s true or not. Which is what they are doing, and which is what you guys are eating up with a spoon.
September 17th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Rick,
Open your eyes. If you think Obama wasn’t scrutinized, you better go back and listen to some of your old Bill O’Reilly reports. If you could give us some real evidence, we would stop this. If you think we are wasting our time, maybe so. If you don’t think this whole subject is a little fishy, then you are not a critical thinker. Are you a Republican because your parents are/were?
September 18th, 2008 at 6:12 am
Million$ of sik mothrfkng foreign doctor$ servicing these sick bitches&bassturds should leave this kuntree…throw a mat on tropical floor on mat and sleep until death! garbage muthrfukkrs bassturdsbictceds do NOT deserve respect.
whichskbichchbassturd is getting these comments of mineeee in the inbaoxs? funny. so be it. that is the purpose anyways.
September 18th, 2008 at 6:23 am
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September 18th, 2008 at 6:46 am
you are garbages. and bitchhbssturd collects my comments shitteeting sickgarbage bassturds!
September 18th, 2008 at 6:49 am
I do not have time even for proper dealing with this trashkuntreebitchhbassturds! So are my commetnts directly going into that ziteaterbicchbassturd inbox. Looks like gerrman!
September 18th, 2008 at 7:23 am
Do NOT deserve service from the foreign doctor$ who should quit and go leaving these SICK bitchbastards wallowing in shittasusual!
September 18th, 2008 at 8:40 am
Uh oh, somebody let their child play on the computer, I see. What big new words. Hey guys, let’s be more responsible with the PC and keep our kids focused on the 3 R’s.
September 18th, 2008 at 9:17 am
Here’s what still bothers me about the Trig Palin story, and it has zero to do with Bristol:
-It’s generally accepted that with each successive pregancy, a woman’s body is more elastic and less taut and therefore she will begin to show earlier than if it were her first pregnancy.
-As the governor of Alaska, Palin’s photo is taken multiple times daily from multiple sources. Coupled with the above, there should be a strong photographic record, complete with dates, of her body changes during pregnancy.
-An ob/gyn will tell you that each successive labor will be quicker than the previous because the cervix will open more quickly each time.
-Therefore it defies belief that Palin would get on a plane for a cross-country flight an hour after her water broke. From water breaking to birth can be as short as two hours – I know b/c I lived through it. There’s no way a person who had already given birth four times would get on a plane and not notify the flight crew in that state. What if they ran into weather or an equipment problem? Either her story is false or if true she showed terrible judgment.
-Why hasn’t Palin released Trig’s birth certificate?
-It’s common for candidates for office to release their medical records to the media. Why hasn’t Palin done so? What is she hiding?
-Why haven’t any doctors or nurses gone on the record stating that they were present when Palin delivered Trig?
Why not just be open, honest, and direct, and totally kill the story? Release documentation of photos, birth certificate, and medical record (ob/gyn vists) and it’s done.
Finally, please note that this has nothing to do with Bristol and everything to do with Palin, her honesty, and her judgment.
September 18th, 2008 at 9:34 am
I never thought world was so bad!
http://gawker.com/5051193/sarah-palins-personal-emails
September 18th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
This is a break from the Palin thread, but is noteworthy info about her running mate McCain, and his economic treachery. These things should be brought to the public eye, so every voter can have a full picture of the Republican ticket. Concerning the economic meltdown that is happening now with the banks and Wall Street, McCain helped to “deregulate” the rules, back in the early ’90s. Then, the first Bush was President and John McCain and 4 other Senators were caught in a scandal of failed Savings & Loan banks. He was never punished and got off scott-free. Read about it here http://mccainkeatingfive.com/?p=6 When he picked Palin, he said they were just alike, little did we realize just how much.
September 18th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
As a mother of a child with Down Syndrome, I have so many questions about Trig and the baby mama drama. Medically, I prefer to believe the daughter is the mother since I have never heard of such an inappropriate reponse to leaking amniotic fluid and beginning labor as Sarah Palin reportedly had. My third child took 1 hour to be born after a small leak in amniotic fluid. And on her 5th child, she makes a speech, flies for 8 hours, drives for almost 2, etc. Come on, we know better. Palin was called home for the birth of her GRANDDAUGHTER and had plenty of time to make it. For you people who want to see the birth certificate, the Dr. was probably in on this and could falsify it quite easily. after all, this is a woman who compares herself to a PIT BULL so I’msure she can get anything she wants done in her state. And this is the woman who has energized McCain’s campaign. SCARY!!!!!! Why don’t we get a STARR report or whatever we would get if this was a Democrat. And how about the rumors of a Palin affair and the proof of McCain’s affair in his first and accusations of one in this marriage. Those affairs were HUGE to all of you Republicans a few years ago but they don’t seem to bother you a bit now. IS that a little FLIP FLOP!!! Hypocrites to say the least.
September 19th, 2008 at 8:12 am
The New Yorker magazine has a piece about this … here’s their quote:
The campaign said that it was going public in order to quash offensive rumors that were circulating on the Internet: that Sarah Palin’s five-month-old baby, Trig, who has Down syndrome, was not really hers but Bristol’s, and that the Governor had faked her pregnancy in order to cover for her unwed daughter. This Faulknerian story had been making the rounds in Alaska for months—I heard versions of it in Anchorage and Juneau within twenty-four hours of arriving in each city—and it derived from the peculiar circumstances surrounding Trig’s birth.
Sarah Palin had not announced her pregnancy until she was seven months along. A month later, she was in Texas to address a conference when her water broke. She decided to give the speech and then return to Wasilla to deliver the child. By way of explaining this all-day odyssey (most obstetricians advise against air travel in the eighth month, never mind during labor, and most airlines forbid it), Todd Palin later remarked, “You can’t have a fish picker”—a commercial fisherman—“from Texas.”
The Palin family’s press release, congratulating Bristol and welcoming their prospective son-in-law to the family, was a way for the McCain campaign to suggest that the gutter press had so violated this family’s privacy with its calumnies that it was necessary to violate the girl’s privacy to set the record straight. By castigating the press, the campaign was able to broadcast the family melodrama in a self-righteous manner.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/09/22/080922fa_fact_gourevitch?currentPage=all
September 19th, 2008 at 11:05 am
Thanks for the link and I hope this is for real. If they do come out and admit this, and even if they blame the press for their having to lie, I will just be relieved that the truth is out. I looked for any sign of it in the msm but have not found anything yet.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
WTF? You guys are morons. You know the rightwingers you scum hate have nothing on the crap here.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
So, you are telling us that Palin is going to finally admit that she is Trig Palins grandmother?
When is this going to happen?
I tend to doubt that happening, unless she gets wind of the press cracking the story- and she wants to come forward first. You would think someone in that town would talk, and tell the truth. But, it hasn’t happened yet……… If it does happen, I think it will be the Oct surprise and end of story for McCain. How can the public trust them, with such a lie and coverup.
September 20th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
I have filed the report with the Board of Medicine for Palin’s doctor ethical breach…maybe this will open the medical files and the truth is released.. will keep you inform.
September 20th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!
September 20th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
Thank you also. Dr. Charles.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Someone,PLEASE break this story so the country can wake up. Obviously, they are sound asleep on a number of scandals with this family. I have never seen anything like this!!
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:32 pm
another thanks yo Dr. Charles. Is there something else we can do to get this opened up/exposed?
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:41 pm
hope the good people on this list don’t mind my taking up space with something rather long & though off topic, relevant!
This is Your Nation on White Privilege
by Tim Wise 9/13/08
For those who still can’t grasp the concept of white privilege, or who are constantly looking for some easy-to-understand examples of it, perhaps this list will help.
White privilege is when you can get pregnant at seventeen like Bristol Palin and everyone is quick to insist that your life and that of your family is a personal matter, and that no one has a right to judge you or your parents, because “every family has challenges,” even as black and Latino families with similar “challenges” are regularly typified as irresponsible, pathological and arbiters of social decay.
White privilege is when you can call yourself a “fuckin’ redneck,” like Bristol Palin’s boyfriend does, and talk about how if anyone messes with you, you’ll “kick their fuckin’ ass,” and talk about how you like to “shoot shit” for fun, and still be viewed as a responsible, all-American boy (and a great son-in-law to be) rather than a thug.
White privilege is when you can attend four different colleges in six years like Sarah Palin did (one of which you basically failed out of, then returned to after making up some course work at a community college), and no one questions your intelligence or commitment to achievement, whereas a person of color who did this would be viewed as unfit for college, and probably someone who only got in in the first place because of affirmative action.
White privilege is when you can claim that being mayor of a town smaller than most medium-sized colleges, and then Governor of a state with about the same number of people as the lower fifth of the island of Manhattan, makes you ready to potentially be president, and people don’t all piss on themselves with laughter, while being a black U.S. Senator, two-term state Senator, and constitutional law scholar, means you’re 8 0untested.”
White privilege is being able to say that you support the words “under God” in the pledge of allegiance because “if it was good enough for the founding fathers, it’s good enough for me,” and not be immediately disqualified from holding office–since, after all, the pledge was written in the late 1800s and the “under God” part wasn’t added until the 1950s–while believing that reading accused criminals and terrorists their rights (because, ya know, the Constitution, which you used to teach at a prestigious law school requires it), is a dangerous and silly idea only supported by mushy liberals.
White privilege is being able to be a gun enthusiast and not make people immediately scared of you.
White privilege is being able to have a husband who was a member of an extremist political party that wants your state to secede from the Union, and whose motto was “Alaska first,” and no one questions your patriotism or that of your family, while if you’re black and your spouse merely fails to come to a 9/11 memorial so she can be home with her kids on the first day of school, people immediately think she’s being disrespectful.
White privilege is being able to make fun of community organizers and the work they do–like, among other things, fight for the right of women to vote, or for civil rights, or the 8-hour workday, or an end to child labor–and people think you’re being pithy and tough, but if you merely question the experience of a small town mayor and 18-month governor with no foreign policy expertise beyond a class she took in college–you’re somehow being mean, or even sexist.
White privilege is being able to convince white women who don’t even agree with you on any substantive issue to vote for you and your running mate anyway, because all of a sudden your presence on the ticket has inspired confidence in these same white women, and made them give your party a “second look.”
White privilege is being able to fire people who didn’t support your
political campaigns and not be accused of abusing your power or being a typical politician who engages in favoritism, while being black and merely knowing some folks from the old-line political machines in Chicago means you must be corrupt.
White privilege is being able to attend churches over the years whose pastors say that people who voted for John Kerry or merely criticize George W. Bush are going to hell, and that the U.S. is an explicitly Christi an nation and the job of Christians is to bring Christian theological principles into government, and who bring in speakers who say the conflict in the Middle East is God’s punishment on Jews for rejecting Jesus, and everyone can still think you’re just a good church-going Christian, but if you’re black and friends with a black pastor who has noted (as have Colin Powell and the U.S. Department of Defense) that terrorist attacks are often the result of U.S. foreign policy and who talks about the history of racism and its effect on black people, you’re an extremist who probably hates America.
White privilege is not knowing what the Bush Doctrine is when asked by a reporter, and then people get angry at the reporter for asking you such a “trick question,” while being black and merely refusing to give one-word answers to the queries of Bill O’Reilly means you’re dodging the question, or trying to seem overly intellectual and nuanced.
White privilege is being able to claim your experience as a POW has anything at all to do with your fitness for president, while being black and experiencing racism is, as Sarah Palin has referred to it a “light” burden.
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Thanks for your post, med/shcool records. While we are all waiting for the “news” to break, it was an interesting perspective I had never personally thought of. What about drug use too? That certainly is a white privilege. If you’re black or latino, you are labled a user or pusher or dealer and if caught sent to jail. But if you’re white you have a serious disorder/addiction and/or a horrible childhood and get to go to the Betty Ford clinic. I think Track and co. were into drinking and drugs?
September 26th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Brilliant approach, Dr Charles ~ Thank You!
Questions: What is a reasonable timeframe for you to be expected to wait for an initial response? And how long does a process like this usually take to play out?
September 27th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Thanks for posting the ethic violation complant. I do believe that Trig is Palins grandson. However, I don’t see it amounting to anything. The physician will simply say that Palin never called her regarding onset of labor until she was back home in Alaska. Case closed.Its going to have to be a local rsident with a conscience who breaks the story.
September 27th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
I just found this blog. I don’t see my question discussed here: What happened to THAT baby? — Bristol’s pregnancy 2006-2007.
See http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/9/11/121357/481/259
The photo where Bristol looks pregnant (green sweater at top) was from no later than October 2006. What happened to that baby?
Specifically, what part did Sarah play in what happened to that baby? I believe the right wing’s (and Sarah’s?) position is that parents must be notified before an underage teen makes a medical decision regarding a pregnancy. What decision did Sarah make?
September 28th, 2008 at 6:45 am
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Data/Wo...
I can’t understand why someone in America hasn’t factually uncovered all of the ugly truths about Grandma Sarah Palin. This fake pregnancy and trooper gate is seriously staged manipulative cover up. Trooper gate scandal headed by Sarah Palin…UNREAL! Come on Wasilla, speak up about all the the lies surrounding Sarah Palin…for the United States of America!
VIDEO: Palin press conference #1
http://www.adn.com/monegan/story/492964.html
VIDEO: Palin press conference #2
http://www.adn.com/monegan/story/492964.html
TROOPER GATE TAPE:
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Data/Wo…
September 28th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Dear We The People,
There is a simple reason why someone in Alaska hasn’t factually uncovered all of the ugly truths about Gov. Palin. Whomever comes forward to either knock her off of the McCain Ticket or cause McCain/Palin to lose on November 4th will be stuck with the following outcome: Palin will return to Alaska with a vengence. She will find the truth teller and destroy his or her life, causing him or her to move back to the lower 48. She is vindictive and has the fall back position of still being the Gov of Alaska should McCain lose. I still hope that there is a brave person from Alaska that can unearth the smoking gun surrounding baby-gate or trooper-gate, as soon as possible. It must be unearthed well before the last weekend in October, so the Press can verify the explosive effect of the documents.
Michael from Ohio
September 28th, 2008 at 8:02 pm
Thank you Michael. I was raised in small town in the Midwest. I am certain that this can happen. It’s just seems unbelievable that it still does at this day and age with our current forms of high tech or snail mail.
The good news…Obama needed her to win. How ironic.
To McCain, Palin has not completely destroyed your name…YET.
Now it’s time for you to “Put County First” and end this Ego race to the White House before your tombstone is carved with shame.
Something for Sarah Palin: E.G.O.= Easing God Out
Pride does come before a fall. A very very big fall in Palin’s case.
Let us all pray!
September 28th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
SARAH’S DIRTY WORK….
This is scary!
http://www.thepoliticalhub.com/list/19.aspx
September 29th, 2008 at 7:39 am
OK- I skipped down from the middle of the page to respond becoz i was going to bust a gut if i didn’t. Question: who in the world wouldn’t think sarah palin wouldn’t lie about “how” pregnant bristol is? Do you think she wouldn’t say she was 5months along- when she was actually 3 (or not even preg- but just post-preg)? Becuase she says it we are suppost to belive it? since when? Have you ever heard of casey anthony??? they lie about anything and everything- that’s why we have to have these blog- since the media doesn’t do their job anymore- we must do it for ourself.
Thank you, i feel better now
September 29th, 2008 at 7:44 am
Dr. Charles! You go boy! My hero!
September 29th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
I apologize in advance if this particular item has already been discussed.
I personally find it somewhat mean-spirited to name a child with Down Syndrome “Trig”. Trig to me obviously has a reference to 3 and Down Syndrome is chromosome 21 trisomy — 3 (instead of the usual 2) #21 chromosome.
Thank you. Now I feel better getting that off of my chest.
I have found this blog to be both entertaining and informative. I look forward to checking it frequently in the coming weeks.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
As a MOM and a WOMAN…I am APPALLED that Sarah left her NEW BORN with SPECIAL NEEDS next to Russia for her older children to eat her dirt…under the bus.
October 1st, 2008 at 4:28 am
to WE THE PEOPLE: OMG! I don’t think I’ve ever heard such eloquence! BRAVO!
October 1st, 2008 at 7:15 am
VOTE OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What is America going to do with a President half way into his coffin and a Vice President in Jail??? Trooper gate truths are coming out. Oh Oh Sarah! Keep the nanny!
http://www.drudge.com/news/113075/alaskan-tro …
http://www.adn.com/monegan/story/492964.html
http://www.adn.com/monegan/story/492964.html
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Data/Wo…
October 3rd, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Found video taken April 8, 2008 Sarah, less than 15 days of giving birth. There is NO WAY she is pregnant or 8 months pregnant in this video. Watch as she greets Piper and pulls away from her.
http://www.jewishjournal.com/video/article/vi...
Taken on the same day: Natural gas line proposal noted in article. Same scarf, same lapel pendants, same glasses, same hair and same earrings. BUSTED!!!!!!!!!!
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bc…
October 3rd, 2008 at 11:46 pm
For lots more info about the “who’s your mama, Trig” issue, see http://www.palindeception.com. There is LOTS of info there. Read everything.
October 4th, 2008 at 12:16 am
1. We can’t insist on seeing medical records because they are private under federal law.
2. How do we know Bristol is 5 months pregnant? Let’s see if & when she delivers a baby. What are the odds that she’ll “miscarry”?
3. Sarah’s staff members (who see her every day) were “shocked” to learn of her pregnancy. Wouldn’t you think that she would have looked pregnant long before her announcment at 7 months? I’ve never seen a 7-mos pregnant woman who didn’t look it. I don’t care if she works out; a pregnant tummy cannot be hidden by exercise; it isn’t a wad of fat in there; it’s a fetus.
4. If Sarah was indeed pregnant, maybe she flew on a 12-hour trip after hew water broke and went to a tiny, not-the-best hospital on purpose to put Trig’s life in danger. Maybe she didn’t want a 5th child, let alone one with special needs. She’s opposed to abortion, but if the baby died, oh, what a tragedy! Think of the sympathy!
5. Everyone interested in this issue of who-is-Trig’s-mom should go to http://www.palindecption.com. There is lots & lots of info on why Sarah is probably not Trig’s mom. Read it & judge for yourselves, ladies & gents.
6. What is a puma? Besides a large cat, of course.
7. In some instances when a baby is adopted, the adoptive parents’ names are put on the birth certificate. If Bristol is the biological mom, and Sarah & hubby adopted, Bristol’s name may not appear on the BC.
October 4th, 2008 at 10:19 am
Where is Bristol? Right? As I stated on 9/11, post #230, you will not see Bristol and especially not in the company of Trig. This is clearly an attempt to squash any perception that leads to the truth. And now the videos on ‘jewishjournal’ and ‘ brightcove’ are all of a sudden taken down. What is there to hide? The TRUTH!
All part of the big cover up!
October 4th, 2008 at 11:01 am
To We the People, those links have already been removed. Now I wonder if this site is run by a pro-Palin so we are, in effect, doing their work for them. Hmmmm. It’s odd.
October 5th, 2008 at 6:13 am
Anonomous, daryl, eellerto- thank you for keeping up the good fight- if she/they would lie about her dauhetr’s pregnacy they would lie about any and everthing!
October 5th, 2008 at 11:55 am
Do we know for sure that Bristol is pregnant,let alone 5 months? We have only Sarah’s say-so. Imagine the following…
1. Bristol & high school dropout boyfriend get married by Pastor Muthee, who exorcies them of witches. A moose rifle is used instead of a shotgun.
2. Bristol “miscarries,” so we will never know if she really was pregnant or when the due date would have been if she really was pregnant.
3. Sarah is too busy to handle a special-needs baby & serve as governor (or, heaven forbid, VP) so gives Trig to Bristol & hubby to adopt.
4. Bristol & hubby divorce.
October 5th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Let’s remember that:
1. McCain will be older than Reagan when he got sworn in. You Remember Reagan, who fell asleep in Cabinet meetings & in meetings with the Pope, and who announced he had Alzheimer’s 6 months after retirement. Alzheimer’s devlops over years, so he had it while in office.
2. McCain has had cancer 4 times that we know of.
3. There are rumors that McCain might have a brain tumor. Something about his one eye looking funny.
4. McCain has a 1200-page medical file, and collects $58,000 a year in disability payments. Disability for what?
5. McCain has PTSD. How could he not, after 5 years of torture?
6. McCain has had a suicide attempt.
Bottom line: if McCain gets elected, what are the chances that he will live to serve out his term(s)? So, when Sarah Bimbo is president, and a crisis hits (9/11, Katrina, economic melt-down, you-name-it), she’ll hole up with her handlers for a week to memorize a speech to give before doing anything$
October 5th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
“Todd Palin comes forth and AGREES to an interview.”
http://www.adn.com/troopergate/story/546262.h...
Gee and he is not even a stated employee!
___________________________________________________________________________
Who needs this silly little Trooper gate to rear it’s ugly head with truth? We the People!
We need all of those subpoenas signed, sealed & delivered with no treatment!
We need due process, sworn in, under oath and on the record. An interview is laughable and shows a true lack of judgment. Not to mention, the insult of stupidity that is suggested to “We the People”
Alaska, it’s not just you. The lower 48 is tired of the truth being put off, removed, falsified, covered up, pregnanted, fabricated with lie upon lie upon liem . Make no mistake this is Nation wide now.
I ask you…who has the power for all of this? Could it possible be directed by a man with 26 yrs in the White House with the Power? The Clout? The contacts? The money? The ultimate (last chance) desire? This is unbelievable to fathom, but from what I have learned with due diligence….it’s right on target. Nothing else makes sense.
I urge you to…Look at the big picture. Think, read, view, probe, share, ask, investigate, analyze & have common sense. It all makes sense from evident deduction alone.
‘We the People’ need to be able to fully trust who will be throned the highest honor in the United States of America! Our Nation and allies do too!
This reeks of a far bigger fish, than a lady from Wasilla, who had 2 little problems to be choice for V.P.
1) A pregnant unwed teenager carrying a child with down syndrome.
2) Troopergate to cover up
* Additional major ramifications are surfacing by the day. The hour. The minute. Bristol’s current false pregnancy is a cover up, for her post pregnancy and engorged breast feeding breasts. Who is now missing in action?
All of this simply got out of control for 1)An Ego race to the White House and 2)a V.P. candidate that fit the mold for the winning ticket.
One Nation under God, with Liberty and Justice for all.
October 5th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
Hmmm….This is not right at all. In this KTLA interview in LA on 3/3 Sarah’s slim. She’s starting to sing her words from the same speeches now. Promoting herself at every chance. “McCain wants a “Maverick” for “younger, female voters.” Repeating insistently that “it’s not in reality” to accept V.P. “It’s so far out there” an “impossibility” She skates around the VP nomination, purposely…Promoting herself & covering all bases. It seems she fooled all of us in a very big way and already accepted the V.P. nomination Feb. 26. at The White House. Certainly a clean-up plan was discussed. Even worse, No stomach!! Yet, she traveled back and announced her 7 month pregnancy. Can this be real? A week later she was HUGE at the Natural Gas proposal on 3/9!
Interview KTLA 3/3-Alaska Gov Sarah Palin
http://www.ktla.com/primenews
Interview Promoting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPAIUwYPsjI
October 5th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
Full Legnth Video. Oh Oh! BUSTED!
Sarah at Hospital just after giving birth:
Search: “Palin Pregnancy Rumors”
http://cbs11tv.com/video/
Taken 3/9 8 months preg
http://www.jerusalemonline.com/specials18.asp
October 6th, 2008 at 8:51 am
BRAVO!!!!!!!
October 6th, 2008 at 8:54 am
Waiting for a Dr. Charles Upate…………………………..
October 6th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
Well, that cleared it all up for me. Oh, wait. No it didn’t. Sigh.
October 6th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Here are two thoughtful sites that are trying to collect and publish information on the (still open) question of the parentage of Trig Palin:
Links:
Sarah Palin Lies
Who Is Trig Palin’s Mother
October 6th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
So, what evidence do we have there is really a doctor who filed a report with the Board of Medicine? Is there a case #? Is there any documentation? This crackpot claims to be a Dr. and suggests he is going to force evidence to be investigated or turned over. Please! We can’t demand records to be proven by the Palin camp without making the same demands of a ‘Dr. Charles’. And where is this supposed Dr? He/She are still getting email notifications in their in-box that we are waiting for answers. Hello???!!!
October 7th, 2008 at 3:43 am
oh..yea…well, it’s concievable that an ethic charge could be lodged but it would probably spell the end of Dr. Charle’s career/referrals/career/friends/marriage/etc………I just tried the “geocities” site- wouldn’t go thru…..isn’t there one disgrunteled public servant in Alaska who’s willing to spill the beans??????????
October 7th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
PalinBaby Question:
I fixed your links and they work fine now. I have no idea why your links had “bluebloggin” in the URL.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
Thank you!
Here are two more websites worth taking a look at, by the way:
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2008/10/newly-discovered-website-addresses-trig.html
http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=9539
October 7th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
The issue isn’t whether Bristol Palin is too dumb to use birth control and spews out bastards every year. The issues are hypocricy, lies, and Palin’s pro-abstinance (i.e. pro-ignorance about birth control) views.
I understand that the medical professionals are forbidden by federal law from revealing medical information about the birth. But can’t someone, say a classmate or acquaintance of Bristol’s, come out and say something?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
OK, as long as we’re working on non-functioning links … neither of these work when I try them:
http://www.jewishjournal.com/video/article/vi...
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bc...
This one connects to KTLA, but a search using “Palin” does not lead to the video described.
Any one be able to lend a hand on fixing these?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
OK, as long as we’re working on non-functioning links … neither of these work when I try them:
http://www.jewishjournal.com/video/article/vi...
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bc...
This one connects to KTLA, but a search using “Palin” does not lead to the video described.
http://www.ktla.com/primenews
Any one be able to lend a hand on fixing these?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
Here’s a tinyurl of the Jewish Journal website, containing a video about the “making of” a video about Palin.
http://tinyurl.com/filmmaker-video
October 8th, 2008 at 5:47 am
Trutherator:
That’s waht I’m say’en! Where are the witnesses- the little people, the classmate, acquantices, TEACHERS, ADMINISTRATORS, public sevants…the TRUTH will set you free! Or at least keep you froma HUGE hypocrits!
October 8th, 2008 at 7:06 am
Bristol is NOT pregnant.
1) Trig is Bristol’s. Sarah claimed him to cover him under her health Insurance plan, due to long term health issues of a down syndrome diagnosis. Bristol does not have that coverage and we all know how much just regular insurance cost for a birth. Not to mention the lifetime of serious medical for down syndrome baby!.
2) In order for Sarah to claim Trig as hers, she had to appear pregnant. Thus the few photo’s wearing a prego suit. McCain made sure to pull all pictures & video’s from every site while “makeing up his mind” on the V.P. choice. BS. Darah had the job in Feb. All of this is stratogy. She forced Bristol in the limelight to divert the rumors of Trig being hers and lied about Bristols pregnancy to cover up her post birth body shape and huge engorged boobs. Bristol has now disappeared from site, and is breast feeding her son at home. Sarah is quoted in ADN as “breast feeding” Hey Sarah, who are you breast feeding? McCean? Bristol is the one with engorged breast. Not you. Again, the coverup for Bristol’s. Woman are told to breast feed children with poor health conditions. Breast milk has nartural nutrients and anit bodies to help encourage a healthier child. All of this has been a stratogy with McCain’s camp since Febuary. Even Alaska knows Sarah was vetted & signed in early March. Track back from her Washington visit Feb. 26. You will see. That’s when all of her interviewing and self promoting started. BUT, she repeatedly insisted it was an “impossibility” “Far fetched” This was to throw everyone off while she & McCain stragized and worked quitley in the back round. McCain has had his “hand on the tiller” for a long time. No one else has the power, clout and contacts suspend & munipulate “Troopergate” and remove Sarah truth from site off internets, goverment bulliten/s, interviews, video’s etc. John McCain is on his ‘last chance’ mission to be President of the United States. After all, he has worked for this honor all of his life. 26 years. You betcha the planning was done a long time ago. He knows how to stragize to get what he wants. Apparently, at all costs. Sarah too. They both sold thier soul for this win. Look backwards at their. This insane campaign stratogy didn’t start overnight. It’s been a long time coming. The lies, flip flopping, hiding, internet raping, promoting, advertising started when he found the perfect pit bull w/lipstick just as hungry as he is with the ability to wear a smile while she goes for the juggler. Hocky mom, my ass. Alaska is terrified of her daily munipulations and vendictive nature. Look at Wooten, Monegan and entire staff change of puppets she hired to do her job while she sat at home 95% of the time. Sarah Palin has proved she will stop at nothing for this ego reace to the white house, as she smiles doing it. I got news for ya Sarah. Karma is a bitch and witches don’t have a spell for that!
The mother of all lies…Bristol. Sarah is prolonging Bristol’s multi layered pain of inevitable truth. NO ONE should be ashamed or shamed in being a mother. Being called “mommy” is truly the greatest blessing of all!
October 8th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
WTP,
I can understand your frustration totally! Did anyone see Bristol the night of the VP debate, after it was concluded and the families came up to shake hands, etc.? She looked to me not fatter (like she would be approx. 6.5 months preggo by now) but actually a little thinner. So … let’s say this duo, McPalin, actually win the election .. we should be able to see a 7.5 month preggo Bristol at that time. It certainly will be interesting. When I first heard of this I was shocked/stunned … now I am just numb, but hopeful that some day, some way this will come out. I still check this blog to see what’s new. Thanks to all keeping this topic alive.
October 8th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
PalinBaby Question:
The Jewish Journal link and the Bright Cove link are both videos, which is probably the problem. Also part of the URL is cut off.
Email me the page links and I will fix the links in your comment. Thanks
nytexan@earthlink.net
October 8th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
We the People. You make a statement that Sarah claimed Trig as her own for health insurance reasons… Where did you get this information. That is a serious statement. Sounds interesting but nothing someone should be guessing or making speculation about.
October 9th, 2008 at 4:32 am
We the people- has kutzba…That insurence deal is the “ticket”- false insurence claims are illegal and someone will be able to challeneg that and require a DNA test! Since its probably state insurence- and maybe even federally subsidized- any citizen should be able to make an inquiry to the state insurence commission. i don’t know what would be needed to get an investigation initiated. Maybe a private interested party getting a dna sample from trig (diaper) and having it tested. Seems like a job for the National Inquirer! I’ll write and suggest same. Why does NO media outlet talk about or show her exorcisism???
October 9th, 2008 at 4:41 am
Oh FORGOT! Jamie Lynn Spears is preggers again….or so they say- 8 weeks- that would have her gettinng preg when he new baby was 4-weeks old. It happens all the time..especially to teens becoz they do not have the cognitive ability to concieve of the possibility that it could happen again- so soon! It’s like a legitimate psychological phenomena. Hopefully, when the world picks up on this new news- they will draw the comparison with Bristol.
On the other hand, as can’ttakeitanymore says- she may not be preg at all- just post first pregnancy weight and breastfeeding. FYI i gained very little weight with my pregnancies but gained 20′lbs during breastfeeding- you body actually tries to pack on weight during that time to ensure food for baby.
October 9th, 2008 at 6:57 am
Deb You are BRILLIANT! Now how do we bring forth this questionble birth to Sarah’s Health Insurance Company?
INSURANCE FRAUD IS ILLEGAL;
Trig’s real mother has everything to do with judegement, character & trust for the V.p. elect. This ALSO ties to legal issues. It is said that Sarah claimed Bristol’s baby for insurance purposes. Bristol was not covered. We all know how much insurance cost…just for a birth. The cost of long term health care of a known down syndrome baby in the womb is astronomical. Thus Sarah’s claim for this birth. Insurance Fraud is illegal. I suggest Sara’s Health Insurance company check into this. Surely DNA, a birth certificate and tesitmony from the birthing Dr. would be sufficient to bring show Insurance Fraud….or not.
October 9th, 2008 at 7:49 am
to: WE THE PEOPLE,
from: wcummin3,
I have been following this thread from it’s inception, and from time to time, have added comments of my own. I would like for someone to explain why a daughter of an insured adult would not be covered on an insurance policy in case of teen pregnancy. Besides, the Governor of a state can have enough influence and wealth to override any denials of claims by any insurance company in the state. She has already on the carpet for influencing the denial of compensation claims to her ex-brother-in-law, Wooten, in the Troopergate scandal. It would be child’s play to make any claim pertaining to her immediate family members as good as gold. There would be very little chance of any litigation coming out against someone who has appointed their cronies in strategic positions, as she has already been accused of doing.