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		<title>By: David H. Marshall</title>
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		<description>Continuing, as again in 2008 U.S. General Accounting Office (GAO) confirmed [14], are the experiment identifying [2] missing/misplaced Medical Histories [15]. A deliberate avoiding of the evidence and victim notification issues of the prior GAO 1993 [5], 1994 [7] and 1997 [10] Reports! These are for the past and ongoing U.S. House [7] and U.S. Senate&#039;s [9] &quot;hundreds of thousands&quot; of DOD human &quot;guinea pigs&quot;!

Each Executive Branch &quot;guinea pigs&quot; Project completes the Research and Development (R&amp;D) process. The prior lessons learned are reviewed. The then Scope of Work defines what the experiment is designed to do. The how, where, when and who is identified. The conducted researched cause and effects are closely followed. From the results are developed safe production, in the field use with the needed medical histories for treatment and protection, e.g., the Department of Defense (DOD) Contractors handling of hazards such as Depleted Uranium, Agent Orange, the chemical and biological agents of Project 112 [11], the jet-engine noise levels of Project 7210 [2 &amp; 15] and the U.S. Supreme Court STANLEY investigational drug [4]. All is in the Executive Branch record! 

From 1953 the U.S. Senate &quot;designed to harm&quot; [9] lessons learned were in direct disobedience of the DOD Secretary&#039;s TOP SECRET order [3]. The to-date ignored U.S. Senate’s 1994 &quot;servicemember&#039;s knowledge&quot; and &quot;consent&quot; [9] was then required forty one (41) years earlier [3]. In 1953 known by the Secretary&#039;s of all Services, Joint Chiefs of Staff, and their R&amp;D Board. The DOD Secretary&#039;s 1953 order was &quot;UNCLASSIFIED&quot; TWENTY TWO (22) years later in 1975. Three (3) years before the 1953 order was the U.S. Supreme Court FERES ‘the DOD can do no wrong’ DOCTRINE. [4] In 1994 was the still in 2008 ignored U.S. Senate’s, &quot;The Feres Doctrine should not be applied for military personnel who are harmed by inappropriate human experimentation when informed consent has not been given.&quot; [9] Despite the efforts of Congress’s few [9] still not given back are those rights that convicted rapists and murderers keep [6]. That they are ongoing on thousands more is proven by the to-date negative response to the 1953 DOD Secretary’s Memo [3], the ignored U.S. Senate 1994 [9], the latest 2008 GAO [14], of a prior [5, 7, 10], Reports and in 2005 and 2006 Congress failed to pass the, &quot;Veterans Right to Know Act&quot;! The experimentation causes and effects are not in the human &quot;guinea pigs&quot; [9] Medical Histories. This needed for treatment evidence would also identify the experiments themselves! 

With this from 1944 to 2008, 64 year pattern of behavior these harmful events continue. This is supported by the coincidences of most of the &quot;to harm&quot; service records being destroyed in a 1973 National Personnel Records Center fire and those that survived having all witnesses censored by Congress’s 1974 Privacy Act! Then there is the U.S. Supreme Court 1987 STANLEY Case [4] and 1988 established severely restricted Veterans Court. A still followed STANLEY Footnote 4 is &quot;it was necessary to conceal these activities from the american public in general, because public knowledge of the unethical and illicit activities would have serious repercussions in political and diplomatic circles and would be detrimental to the accomplishment of its mission.&quot; The Chief Judge of the Veterans Court states &quot;The court may not review the schedule of ratings for disabilities or the policies underlying the schedule.&quot;, i.e., the order ignored &quot;to harm&quot; R&amp;D experimental cause and effect &quot;activities&quot;! [8] Now, as in the past, these &quot;activities&quot; are carried out under the cover of national security. As in 2008 performed on civilians under the treatment lost &quot;national security missions&quot; of the 19 December 2006 established &quot;Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA)&quot;.[13] 

Thereby, DOD and Department of Veterans Affairs (DVA) Healthcare System, with some members of Congress, to-date covered up and prevented is treatment for the past and ongoing &quot;designed to harm&quot; human experiments. The U.S. State Department recorded the rights that convicted rapists and murderers keep [6] yet veterans have lost. 

Available on request are: 

1. A 1952-1956 Project 7210 Subject. Korean War Veteran, 100% Disabled. [2 &amp; 15] 

2. A Brief on the U.S. Supreme Court, U.S. General Accounting Office (GAO) and U. S. Senate Backgrounds. [1 - 16] 

REFERENCES: 

[1] U.S. Supreme Court, Feres v. United States, 340 U.S. 135, 146 (1950). 

[2] United States Air Force (USAF) Project 7210 &quot;A Compilation of Turbojet Noise Data&quot;, Bolt Beranek &amp; Newman, Inc. Cambridge 38, MA. It documented the sound pressure levels for all jet-engines in DOD service. Conducted in 1952 at Wright Patterson Air Force Base, Dayton, Ohio. 1954 logged in as the 401st. report for that year. Published as Report 54-401, July 1956. The American Medical Association (A.M.A.) Family Medical Guide Third Edition pages 364-366 notes that for each 6 dB. increase in sound level, sound pressure doubles. 

[3] DOD Secretary&#039;s 26 February 1953 NO non-consensual, human experiment’s Memo pages 343-345. George J. Annas and Michael A. Grodin, &quot;The Nazi Doctors and the Nuremberg Code; Human Rights in Human Experimentation&quot; (New York: Oxford University Press, 1992). In Reference [9] as NOTES 72, 168 &amp; 169. 

[4] U.S. Supreme Court, June 25, 1987, U.S. V. Stanley, 107 S. Ct. 3054 (Volume 483 U.S., Section 669, Pages 699 to 710). In Reference [9] Cited in Note 169. 

[5] 1993 U.S. General Accounting Office (GAO) Report on Secret tests-http://archive.gao.gov/d37t11/148642.pdf 

[6] U.S. State Dept., &quot;U.S. Report under the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights July 1994, Art. 7&quot;. 

[7] GAO Testimony Before the Legislation and National Security Subcommittee, Committee on Government Operations, House of Representatives. September 28, 1994 Human Experimentation.http://archive.gao.gov/t2pbat2/152601.pdf 

[8] Chief Judge Frank Q. Nebeker, State of the Court for Presentation to the United States Court of Veterans Appeals Third Judicial Conference October 17-18, 1994. In the Veterans Appeals Reporter. www.firebase.net/state_of_court_brief.htm Annual Judicial Conference Transcript. www. goodnet.com/~heads/nebeker 

[9] U.S. Senate December 8, 1994 REPORT 103-97 &quot;Is Military Research Hazardous to Veterans&#039; Health? Lessons Spanning Half a Century.&quot; Hearings Before the U.S. Senate Committee on Veterans&#039; Affairs, 103rd Congress 2nd Session. With NOTES 1 to 170. Committee Print - S. Print. 103-97. 

[10] GAO May 1997, DEFENSE HEALTH CARE, www.gao.gov/archive/1997/ns97136.pdf

[11] &quot;Project 112 (Including Project SHAD) Home&quot; chemical and biological experiments; www. 1.va.gov/shad/ 

[12] United States Code (USC) Title 38, 511. Decisions of the Secretary; finality. http://www. law.cornell.edu/ 

[13] &quot;Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA)&quot; S-3678. 

[14] The 2008 GAO Report On Chemical and Biological Tests conducted on American Veterans. http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d08366.pdf 

[15] An ongoing VA 17 years 4 April 2008 Board of Veterans Appeals (BVA) letter. It states that the veterans USAF 1952-1956 etc. &quot;perminately medically disqualified for military service&quot; &quot;claims file was received at the Board on January 28, 2006. However, despite extensive search efforts, we are currently unable to locate your file.&quot; 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Continuing, as again in 2008 U.S. General Accounting Office (GAO) confirmed [14], are the experiment identifying [2] missing/misplaced Medical Histories [15]. A deliberate avoiding of the evidence and victim notification issues of the prior GAO 1993 [5], 1994 [7] and 1997 [10] Reports! These are for the past and ongoing U.S. House [7] and U.S. Senate&#8217;s [9] &#8220;hundreds of thousands&#8221; of DOD human &#8220;guinea pigs&#8221;!</p>
<p>Each Executive Branch &#8220;guinea pigs&#8221; Project completes the Research and Development (R&amp;D) process. The prior lessons learned are reviewed. The then Scope of Work defines what the experiment is designed to do. The how, where, when and who is identified. The conducted researched cause and effects are closely followed. From the results are developed safe production, in the field use with the needed medical histories for treatment and protection, e.g., the Department of Defense (DOD) Contractors handling of hazards such as Depleted Uranium, Agent Orange, the chemical and biological agents of Project 112 [11], the jet-engine noise levels of Project 7210 [2 &amp; 15] and the U.S. Supreme Court STANLEY investigational drug [4]. All is in the Executive Branch record! </p>
<p>From 1953 the U.S. Senate &#8220;designed to harm&#8221; [9] lessons learned were in direct disobedience of the DOD Secretary&#8217;s TOP SECRET order [3]. The to-date ignored U.S. Senate’s 1994 &#8220;servicemember&#8217;s knowledge&#8221; and &#8220;consent&#8221; [9] was then required forty one (41) years earlier [3]. In 1953 known by the Secretary&#8217;s of all Services, Joint Chiefs of Staff, and their R&amp;D Board. The DOD Secretary&#8217;s 1953 order was &#8220;UNCLASSIFIED&#8221; TWENTY TWO (22) years later in 1975. Three (3) years before the 1953 order was the U.S. Supreme Court FERES ‘the DOD can do no wrong’ DOCTRINE. [4] In 1994 was the still in 2008 ignored U.S. Senate’s, &#8220;The Feres Doctrine should not be applied for military personnel who are harmed by inappropriate human experimentation when informed consent has not been given.&#8221; [9] Despite the efforts of Congress’s few [9] still not given back are those rights that convicted rapists and murderers keep [6]. That they are ongoing on thousands more is proven by the to-date negative response to the 1953 DOD Secretary’s Memo [3], the ignored U.S. Senate 1994 [9], the latest 2008 GAO [14], of a prior [5, 7, 10], Reports and in 2005 and 2006 Congress failed to pass the, &#8220;Veterans Right to Know Act&#8221;! The experimentation causes and effects are not in the human &#8220;guinea pigs&#8221; [9] Medical Histories. This needed for treatment evidence would also identify the experiments themselves! </p>
<p>With this from 1944 to 2008, 64 year pattern of behavior these harmful events continue. This is supported by the coincidences of most of the &#8220;to harm&#8221; service records being destroyed in a 1973 National Personnel Records Center fire and those that survived having all witnesses censored by Congress’s 1974 Privacy Act! Then there is the U.S. Supreme Court 1987 STANLEY Case [4] and 1988 established severely restricted Veterans Court. A still followed STANLEY Footnote 4 is &#8220;it was necessary to conceal these activities from the american public in general, because public knowledge of the unethical and illicit activities would have serious repercussions in political and diplomatic circles and would be detrimental to the accomplishment of its mission.&#8221; The Chief Judge of the Veterans Court states &#8220;The court may not review the schedule of ratings for disabilities or the policies underlying the schedule.&#8221;, i.e., the order ignored &#8220;to harm&#8221; R&amp;D experimental cause and effect &#8220;activities&#8221;! [8] Now, as in the past, these &#8220;activities&#8221; are carried out under the cover of national security. As in 2008 performed on civilians under the treatment lost &#8220;national security missions&#8221; of the 19 December 2006 established &#8220;Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA)&#8221;.[13] </p>
<p>Thereby, DOD and Department of Veterans Affairs (DVA) Healthcare System, with some members of Congress, to-date covered up and prevented is treatment for the past and ongoing &#8220;designed to harm&#8221; human experiments. The U.S. State Department recorded the rights that convicted rapists and murderers keep [6] yet veterans have lost. </p>
<p>Available on request are: </p>
<p>1. A 1952-1956 Project 7210 Subject. Korean War Veteran, 100% Disabled. [2 &amp; 15] </p>
<p>2. A Brief on the U.S. Supreme Court, U.S. General Accounting Office (GAO) and U. S. Senate Backgrounds. [1 - 16] </p>
<p>REFERENCES: </p>
<p>[1] U.S. Supreme Court, Feres v. United States, 340 U.S. 135, 146 (1950). </p>
<p>[2] United States Air Force (USAF) Project 7210 &#8220;A Compilation of Turbojet Noise Data&#8221;, Bolt Beranek &amp; Newman, Inc. Cambridge 38, MA. It documented the sound pressure levels for all jet-engines in DOD service. Conducted in 1952 at Wright Patterson Air Force Base, Dayton, Ohio. 1954 logged in as the 401st. report for that year. Published as Report 54-401, July 1956. The American Medical Association (A.M.A.) Family Medical Guide Third Edition pages 364-366 notes that for each 6 dB. increase in sound level, sound pressure doubles. </p>
<p>[3] DOD Secretary&#8217;s 26 February 1953 NO non-consensual, human experiment’s Memo pages 343-345. George J. Annas and Michael A. Grodin, &#8220;The Nazi Doctors and the Nuremberg Code; Human Rights in Human Experimentation&#8221; (New York: Oxford University Press, 1992). In Reference [9] as NOTES 72, 168 &amp; 169. </p>
<p>[4] U.S. Supreme Court, June 25, 1987, U.S. V. Stanley, 107 S. Ct. 3054 (Volume 483 U.S., Section 669, Pages 699 to 710). In Reference [9] Cited in Note 169. </p>
<p>[5] 1993 U.S. General Accounting Office (GAO) Report on Secret tests-http://archive.gao.gov/d37t11/148642.pdf </p>
<p>[6] U.S. State Dept., &#8220;U.S. Report under the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights July 1994, Art. 7&#8243;. </p>
<p>[7] GAO Testimony Before the Legislation and National Security Subcommittee, Committee on Government Operations, House of Representatives. September 28, 1994 Human Experimentation.http://archive.gao.gov/t2pbat2/152601.pdf </p>
<p>[8] Chief Judge Frank Q. Nebeker, State of the Court for Presentation to the United States Court of Veterans Appeals Third Judicial Conference October 17-18, 1994. In the Veterans Appeals Reporter. <a href="http://www.firebase.net/state_of_court_brief.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.firebase.net/state_of_court_brief.htm</a> Annual Judicial Conference Transcript. www. goodnet.com/~heads/nebeker </p>
<p>[9] U.S. Senate December 8, 1994 REPORT 103-97 &#8220;Is Military Research Hazardous to Veterans&#8217; Health? Lessons Spanning Half a Century.&#8221; Hearings Before the U.S. Senate Committee on Veterans&#8217; Affairs, 103rd Congress 2nd Session. With NOTES 1 to 170. Committee Print &#8211; S. Print. 103-97. </p>
<p>[10] GAO May 1997, DEFENSE HEALTH CARE, <a href="http://www.gao.gov/archive/1997/ns97136.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.gao.gov/archive/1997/ns97136.pdf</a></p>
<p>[11] &#8220;Project 112 (Including Project SHAD) Home&#8221; chemical and biological experiments; www. 1.va.gov/shad/ </p>
<p>[12] United States Code (USC) Title 38, 511. Decisions of the Secretary; finality. <a href="http://www" rel="nofollow">http://www</a>. law.cornell.edu/ </p>
<p>[13] &#8220;Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA)&#8221; S-3678. </p>
<p>[14] The 2008 GAO Report On Chemical and Biological Tests conducted on American Veterans. <a href="http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d08366.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d08366.pdf</a> </p>
<p>[15] An ongoing VA 17 years 4 April 2008 Board of Veterans Appeals (BVA) letter. It states that the veterans USAF 1952-1956 etc. &#8220;perminately medically disqualified for military service&#8221; &#8220;claims file was received at the Board on January 28, 2006. However, despite extensive search efforts, we are currently unable to locate your file.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: nytexan</title>
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		<description>ProudP:
The collective brain of 10 million + who protested (me among them) where told we knew nothing, we were not patriots. However,  Blaire and Bush, 2 two men with small brains,  marched us all into a world disaster. 

The British didn&#039;t follow they were complicit. Tony is just as much a war criminal as George.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ProudP:<br />
The collective brain of 10 million + who protested (me among them) where told we knew nothing, we were not patriots. However,  Blaire and Bush, 2 two men with small brains,  marched us all into a world disaster. </p>
<p>The British didn&#8217;t follow they were complicit. Tony is just as much a war criminal as George.</p>
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		<title>By: proudprogressive</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 22:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sad pathetic, ptiful.  (just shakes head) - well like many sane people out there approx 10 million globally who protested adamently prior to so called &quot;pre emptive war&quot; - we saw this coming . We knew the causalities and disabilities, NOT TO MENTION DU POSIONING would be condemning the next generation or TWO to untold misery. 


Our country was broke when the Chimptator took the military to where it did not belong...Why the brittish followed is sick sad mystery to me. 
Same Imperialist shit , different century - but alas bottom line is how sad for these people who enlisted..one should really think long and hard about WAR as a career choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sad pathetic, ptiful.  (just shakes head) &#8211; well like many sane people out there approx 10 million globally who protested adamently prior to so called &#8220;pre emptive war&#8221; &#8211; we saw this coming . We knew the causalities and disabilities, NOT TO MENTION DU POSIONING would be condemning the next generation or TWO to untold misery. </p>
<p>Our country was broke when the Chimptator took the military to where it did not belong&#8230;Why the brittish followed is sick sad mystery to me.<br />
Same Imperialist shit , different century &#8211; but alas bottom line is how sad for these people who enlisted..one should really think long and hard about WAR as a career choice.</p>
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